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for the masses headline editing july 8th

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying disk has been found and is now in

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the possession of the army

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if the game is rigged change the game

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game changer

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i occasionally think how quickly our

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differences worldwide

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would vanish if we were facing an alien

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threat

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from outside this world

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this is fade to black with your host

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jimmy church

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on the game changer radio network and

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kgra

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i need your help to get to the year

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you are listening to fate to flag with

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jimmy church on the game changer network

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bespoke radio for

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yeah how you doing how you doing

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yeah let's do this

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today is tuesday november 17 2020.

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322 days into the new year just

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44 days left we are live from a bunker

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a bunker that is somewhere in the middle

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of beautiful downtown burbank california

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and i would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world

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all across the united states

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hither and tether to and fro back and

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forth up and down east and west north

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the game changer network and kgra the

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planets

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i'm your host jimmy church what is

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cracking everybody how you doing how are

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all right what a great week on the show

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absolutely incredible dave schrader last

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night tonight

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rick delano is here first time guest get

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rick's new film and it's a hit

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it's really good it's called

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the end of quantum reality

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okay now the links for the film and

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everything that you need to

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see are right there at

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jimmychurchradio.com and uh you can go

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and click

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and and find out how to go and see this

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video on demand so it's uh you know i

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watched it on amazon

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and uh absolutely incredible film i was

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um earlier today i hope i don't repeat

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uh later on in the show but a film pops

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all night long all right i told you uh

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some of the late breaking news

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about billy carson what he's got going

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on he's got a new book coming out

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totally totally cool so i'll uh i'll

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talk more about it when i can

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okay um but billy carson

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forbidden knowledge dot tv his new

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uh internet tv network which you can go

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and sign up for

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and i believe it's all on it's on all of

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the video on demand platforms now

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um but head over to forbidden knowledge

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dot tv get signed up

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first three days trial membership you

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can go and check it out right now

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he's got thousands of programs up there

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some of them i'm in

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forbidden knowledge

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tv and of course crystal skulls you know

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this is can i just you know one of my

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use the promo code jimmy that's all you

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got to do 10

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off of your next crystal skull maybe

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crystal skull einstein the crystal

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look what i've got here one two three

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i mean what's a cool one look at this

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this his name is anton

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you know you do einstein the

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sandbox is right in front of me i'm

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you go madeline stay the course

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stay the course believe believe

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i made this uh statement earlier today

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and can i just say something i want

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everybody to just listen to me for a

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cut it out i'm an american i was born

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i always have and every four years

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we go through this drama every four

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somebody's bummed out oh man he's not my

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oh man we lost i can't stay right we go

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through it every four years

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every four years and every four years

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okay all right so we're gonna do this

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again in four more years okay

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four more years of you know in four more

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you like are you kidding me and we go

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we're all different and in the end we're

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and every four years we just

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accept it that's what we do so

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what i'm gonna go through it again in

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four more years

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quit stressing out who gives a crap

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everything that went down 2016.

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right we're still here

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we're still you accepted to move on

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accepted to move on 2020

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accept it and move on that's

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it oh man what are you gonna do in four

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more years four more years you're gonna

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run your life on this get over it we're

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being different is what makes this

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country so great

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don't let anybody tell you it's us

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versus them

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because that's somebody that's an

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what do you want to do

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burn this place down is that what you

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stop it a bunch of crap just done with

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i am d-o-n-e

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done all right am i clear

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fader knots all right

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moving on let's go i don't do politics

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on the show i do conspiracy of politics

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that crazy video today of uh

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right after all that they just walked by

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what's up

286
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he passed around the back and that

287
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should tell everybody

288
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everybody out there everybody on the

289
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right talking that smack

290
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everybody on the left talking that smack

291
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is what they're both traitors

292
00:14:52,150 --> 00:14:48,480
oh man you gotta love it uh

293
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okay all right

294
00:14:57,189 --> 00:14:55,920
where am i at well whoever it is i hope

295
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they focus

296
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on the damn virus yeah you're right

297
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about that tara

298
00:15:07,670 --> 00:15:04,560
uh we got we got issues we got issues

299
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we got issues unemployment health family

300
00:15:12,870 --> 00:15:10,399
you know uh i was um you know what

301
00:15:16,949 --> 00:15:12,880
talking about a conspiracy

302
00:15:20,230 --> 00:15:16,959
i went through i did uh

303
00:15:21,750 --> 00:15:20,240
i don't know 15 years ago 14 years ago i

304
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went back to school

305
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uh for for broadcast news sports

306
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journalism

307
00:15:29,829 --> 00:15:27,519
and i went back to school cost me a lot

308
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of money and

309
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uh if i

310
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right now okay we have two daughters one

311
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is still in college one just

312
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graduated and is in in you know out

313
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there doing her thing now

314
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uh both are the same age one is still in

315
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college let me tell you something

316
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if i had a child right now

317
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that had a student loan especially one

318
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that i signed on i'm talking about

319
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the millions of families across this

320
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country and you're

321
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signing off you know 35 grand a year 40

322
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grand a year

323
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high interest rates and your student

324
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your daughter your son hasn't been in

325
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college

326
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because of coronavirus and those loans

327
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are coming due

328
00:16:24,790 --> 00:16:21,759
ah no it don't work that way

329
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i'm not spending 30 grand a year for

330
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them

331
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it's like phoenix university

332
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god oh is that what it's called what was

333
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that what's that online you buy your

334
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diploma

335
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college whatever it is

336
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so something needs to be done about that

337
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that that i want to hear

338
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somebody step up and go okay

339
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we recognize this that's a conspiracy

340
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man

341
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that's a that's a conspiracy that is

342
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just breaking the law

343
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stealing money that's what that is

344
00:17:04,390 --> 00:17:03,040
all right moving on where am i let's get

345
00:17:05,350 --> 00:17:04,400
to the breaking news the world of

346
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minerals

347
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these things right here the world

348
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of minerals just got it as wild as

349
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the world of animals because they do

350
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discover new stuff once in a while and

351
00:17:23,510 --> 00:17:21,039
they just did a research team

352
00:17:24,630 --> 00:17:23,520
led by crystallographer there was such a

353
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thing

354
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stanislav affilitov at st petersburg

355
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university in russia

356
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found a new entry into the world of

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minerals and they are

358
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calling it petrovite

359
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the bright blue mineral it's gorgeous by

360
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the way it's kind of like they're saying

361
00:17:45,590 --> 00:17:42,160
it's bright blue

362
00:17:49,029 --> 00:17:45,600
i'm going like seafoam green

363
00:17:49,750 --> 00:17:49,039
sky blue like right in there the images

364
00:17:52,390 --> 00:17:49,760
that i've seen

365
00:17:54,710 --> 00:17:52,400
are very very cool it comes from a

366
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volcanic landscape formed by major

367
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eruptions

368
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in the late 1970s and once again in the

369
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2010s in the kamchatka peninsula

370
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of russia the mineral is named for

371
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another saint petersburg university

372
00:18:12,789 --> 00:18:10,160
crystallographer his name is tomas

373
00:18:14,390 --> 00:18:12,799
petrov the team has just published a

374
00:18:17,750 --> 00:18:14,400
study on petrovite

375
00:18:20,870 --> 00:18:17,760
in the journal of uh uh

376
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uh mineralogical magazine

377
00:18:26,789 --> 00:18:24,000
say that 10 times there you go

378
00:18:28,070 --> 00:18:26,799
it's really cool maybe got to talk to

379
00:18:30,630 --> 00:18:28,080
carolyn ford

380
00:18:32,150 --> 00:18:30,640
get me a petrov hey there it is right

381
00:18:35,350 --> 00:18:32,160
there look at that

382
00:18:36,070 --> 00:18:35,360
see am i wrong about the color it's kind

383
00:18:38,630 --> 00:18:36,080
of like

384
00:18:39,750 --> 00:18:38,640
seafoam green it's the color of that

385
00:18:42,549 --> 00:18:39,760
guitar right there

386
00:18:43,190 --> 00:18:42,559
that seafoam green it's exactly the

387
00:18:45,990 --> 00:18:43,200
color

388
00:18:46,870 --> 00:18:46,000
yeah it's not sky blue sea foam green i

389
00:18:48,870 --> 00:18:46,880
want one of those

390
00:18:50,150 --> 00:18:48,880
i want a crystal skull i gotta talk to

391
00:18:53,430 --> 00:18:50,160
uh

392
00:18:56,549 --> 00:18:53,440
carolyn ford petrovite

393
00:18:59,909 --> 00:18:56,559
petrovite all right where

394
00:19:02,950 --> 00:18:59,919
am i at uh let's see

395
00:19:05,830 --> 00:19:02,960
oh oh i talked to rita about this we

396
00:19:07,190 --> 00:19:05,840
are shopping for telescopes right now

397
00:19:08,950 --> 00:19:07,200
don't want to spend a whole lot couple

398
00:19:09,669 --> 00:19:08,960
hundred bucks you know no big deal just

399
00:19:11,110 --> 00:19:09,679
something

400
00:19:12,789 --> 00:19:11,120
to check out you know because we're in

401
00:19:13,750 --> 00:19:12,799
the backyard we're looking and we you

402
00:19:15,430 --> 00:19:13,760
know just just get

403
00:19:16,789 --> 00:19:15,440
something not going to spend a ton of

404
00:19:22,230 --> 00:19:16,799
money on it but

405
00:19:25,190 --> 00:19:22,240
uh this week you will be able to see

406
00:19:25,669 --> 00:19:25,200
seven planets at various points in the

407
00:19:28,549 --> 00:19:25,679
sky

408
00:19:30,230 --> 00:19:28,559
at the same time venus and mercury i'm

409
00:19:31,909 --> 00:19:30,240
talking about in the same day venus and

410
00:19:32,710 --> 00:19:31,919
mercury are bright enough to see in the

411
00:19:35,669 --> 00:19:32,720
mornings

412
00:19:36,230 --> 00:19:35,679
while mars jupiter neptune and saturn

413
00:19:39,669 --> 00:19:36,240
will be

414
00:19:43,029 --> 00:19:39,679
seen at night and there is rumors that

415
00:19:46,390 --> 00:19:43,039
uranus say it as you will will

416
00:19:49,270 --> 00:19:46,400
also be visible all right all right now

417
00:19:51,110 --> 00:19:49,280
uh earth sky i use that website

418
00:19:52,230 --> 00:19:51,120
published a guide to viewing all of the

419
00:19:54,470 --> 00:19:52,240
planets

420
00:19:57,750 --> 00:19:54,480
on their website let's get the show

421
00:20:01,909 --> 00:19:57,760
cracking happy birthday to today

422
00:20:04,950 --> 00:20:01,919
martin scorsese today

423
00:20:07,350 --> 00:20:04,960
78 man

424
00:20:08,710 --> 00:20:07,360
too many great films yeah just just too

425
00:20:12,390 --> 00:20:08,720
many that's it

426
00:20:17,350 --> 00:20:12,400
martin scorsese today 78 danny devito

427
00:20:19,350 --> 00:20:17,360
today 76 get shorty

428
00:20:21,590 --> 00:20:19,360
one flew over the cuckoo's nest that's

429
00:20:25,430 --> 00:20:21,600
pretty good too

430
00:20:28,630 --> 00:20:25,440
gordon lightfoot today is 82.

431
00:20:31,190 --> 00:20:28,640
and and today so i went

432
00:20:32,549 --> 00:20:31,200
i had to go through my gordon lightfoot

433
00:20:36,149 --> 00:20:32,559
song list

434
00:20:39,270 --> 00:20:36,159
if you could read my mind right 1970

435
00:20:42,630 --> 00:20:39,280
sundown huh right

436
00:20:45,029 --> 00:20:42,640
carefree highway toe tapper

437
00:20:45,909 --> 00:20:45,039
rainy day people that's right and of

438
00:20:48,310 --> 00:20:45,919
course

439
00:20:50,710 --> 00:20:48,320
the wreck of the edmund fitzgerald happy

440
00:20:52,710 --> 00:20:50,720
birthday today one of canada's finest

441
00:20:53,750 --> 00:20:52,720
gordon lightfoot good documentary out

442
00:20:56,390 --> 00:20:53,760
right now

443
00:20:57,350 --> 00:20:56,400
with gordon my dead guy's birthday today

444
00:21:00,710 --> 00:20:57,360
jeff buckley

445
00:21:04,070 --> 00:21:00,720
but i have to

446
00:21:05,909 --> 00:21:04,080
1966 to 1997 died at the age of 30.

447
00:21:07,510 --> 00:21:05,919
of course jeff was an american singer

448
00:21:09,510 --> 00:21:07,520
songwriter and guitarist

449
00:21:11,830 --> 00:21:09,520
after a decade as a session guitarist

450
00:21:13,669 --> 00:21:11,840
here in los angeles

451
00:21:16,070 --> 00:21:13,679
buckley uh amassed a following in the

452
00:21:16,630 --> 00:21:16,080
early 1990s by playing cover songs at

453
00:21:20,149 --> 00:21:16,640
venues

454
00:21:22,470 --> 00:21:20,159
in manhattan's east village and recorded

455
00:21:25,909 --> 00:21:22,480
what would be his only studio album

456
00:21:27,990 --> 00:21:25,919
grace in 1994.

457
00:21:29,270 --> 00:21:28,000
jeff's cover of leonard cohen's song

458
00:21:31,510 --> 00:21:29,280
hallelujah

459
00:21:32,630 --> 00:21:31,520
went number one on billboard's hot

460
00:21:36,470 --> 00:21:32,640
digital songs

461
00:21:40,149 --> 00:21:36,480
in march 2008 and reached number two

462
00:21:41,029 --> 00:21:40,159
in the uk singles chart that december 11

463
00:21:44,710 --> 00:21:41,039
years

464
00:21:46,470 --> 00:21:44,720
after his death i may 29 1997 while

465
00:21:47,510 --> 00:21:46,480
awaiting the arrival of his band from

466
00:21:50,310 --> 00:21:47,520
new york

467
00:21:51,029 --> 00:21:50,320
jeff drowned during a spontaneous

468
00:21:54,390 --> 00:21:51,039
evening

469
00:21:55,830 --> 00:21:54,400
swim fully clothed in the mississippi

470
00:21:57,430 --> 00:21:55,840
river in memphis

471
00:21:59,669 --> 00:21:57,440
he was caught in the wake of a passing

472
00:22:03,110 --> 00:21:59,679
boat and his body was found

473
00:22:07,549 --> 00:22:03,120
uh a week later on june 4th he was just

474
00:22:09,990 --> 00:22:07,559
30 years old on this day in history

475
00:22:12,710 --> 00:22:10,000
1558

476
00:22:13,270 --> 00:22:12,720
queen mary the first the monarch of

477
00:22:17,110 --> 00:22:13,280
england

478
00:22:18,390 --> 00:22:17,120
and ireland since 1553 after five years

479
00:22:21,830 --> 00:22:18,400
dies

480
00:22:22,789 --> 00:22:21,840
and is succeeded by her 25 year old half

481
00:22:26,230 --> 00:22:22,799
sister

482
00:22:27,510 --> 00:22:26,240
elizabeth elizabeth ended up ruling for

483
00:22:31,190 --> 00:22:27,520
44

484
00:22:38,830 --> 00:22:31,200
years fader fact okay

485
00:22:51,110 --> 00:22:40,070
marshmallows

486
00:22:55,029 --> 00:22:51,120
invented originated in

487
00:22:58,230 --> 00:22:55,039
ancient egypt that's right they use them

488
00:23:00,070 --> 00:22:58,240
to build the pyramids it's a revolution

489
00:23:00,870 --> 00:23:00,080
i got a new documentary coming out here

490
00:23:04,870 --> 00:23:00,880
very soon

491
00:23:08,070 --> 00:23:04,880
marshmallows built the pyramids

492
00:23:11,190 --> 00:23:08,080
that's right egyptian would use this

493
00:23:14,470 --> 00:23:11,200
listen to me would use the mallow plant

494
00:23:18,230 --> 00:23:14,480
that grew in marshes right to

495
00:23:19,990 --> 00:23:18,240
create candy to soothe sore throats

496
00:23:22,070 --> 00:23:20,000
the roots of the male plant would create

497
00:23:23,990 --> 00:23:22,080
a gooey substance that was boiled and

498
00:23:28,230 --> 00:23:24,000
mixed with honey

499
00:23:29,750 --> 00:23:28,240
and they created marshmallows

500
00:23:32,710 --> 00:23:29,760
and that's a fact then they built a

501
00:23:36,390 --> 00:23:32,720
pyramids no sore throats allowed

502
00:23:38,470 --> 00:23:36,400
you must keep slaving marshmallows

503
00:23:39,909 --> 00:23:38,480
tonight very special guest rick delano's

504
00:23:42,149 --> 00:23:39,919
here we're talking about his new film

505
00:23:43,789 --> 00:23:42,159
the end of quantum reality

506
00:23:45,350 --> 00:23:43,799
the links for everything are over at

507
00:23:49,190 --> 00:23:45,360
jimmychurchradio.com the

508
00:23:49,990 --> 00:23:49,200
film is amazing and i want to talk about

509
00:23:53,909 --> 00:23:50,000
that right now

510
00:24:00,549 --> 00:23:53,919
as i hit this river moon coffee

511
00:24:04,149 --> 00:24:02,830
i want to go back to my comment last

512
00:24:06,870 --> 00:24:04,159
night

513
00:24:08,870 --> 00:24:06,880
that i've made many times on the show in

514
00:24:12,470 --> 00:24:08,880
the past and that is

515
00:24:15,830 --> 00:24:12,480
quoting myself the most spiritual person

516
00:24:18,230 --> 00:24:15,840
in the world is the physicist when the

517
00:24:22,549 --> 00:24:18,240
plane is going down

518
00:24:26,070 --> 00:24:22,559
end quote go ahead quote me it's a fact

519
00:24:31,750 --> 00:24:27,990
there is more to this statement than

520
00:24:38,950 --> 00:24:35,029
first off science

521
00:24:41,990 --> 00:24:38,960
to me is one of the coolest things ever

522
00:24:45,430 --> 00:24:42,000
seriously pure

523
00:24:48,549 --> 00:24:45,440
hardcore science

524
00:24:52,549 --> 00:24:48,559
i love it and then you have

525
00:24:56,230 --> 00:24:52,559
spirituality in any form to me

526
00:24:58,630 --> 00:24:56,240
is also cool and all of it

527
00:25:00,470 --> 00:24:58,640
i wonder and ponder the significance of

528
00:25:03,510 --> 00:25:00,480
it all

529
00:25:07,590 --> 00:25:03,520
i do it's absolutely the best

530
00:25:09,909 --> 00:25:07,600
the two if you think about it

531
00:25:12,470 --> 00:25:09,919
although clearly defined by so many with

532
00:25:16,710 --> 00:25:12,480
the line in the sand drawn

533
00:25:20,630 --> 00:25:16,720
the two totally exist side by side

534
00:25:23,190 --> 00:25:20,640
and i don't have a problem with it so

535
00:25:24,070 --> 00:25:23,200
why do so many the vast majority of

536
00:25:27,110 --> 00:25:24,080
scientists

537
00:25:29,510 --> 00:25:27,120
absolutely quiver shake and are visibly

538
00:25:30,789 --> 00:25:29,520
negative when it comes to the question

539
00:25:36,070 --> 00:25:30,799
of spirituality

540
00:25:39,190 --> 00:25:36,080
and or consciousness they freak out

541
00:25:42,470 --> 00:25:39,200
personally i don't get it

542
00:25:46,630 --> 00:25:42,480
it's so easy for me to understand both

543
00:25:47,990 --> 00:25:46,640
and and i see where they totally fit

544
00:25:51,909 --> 00:25:48,000
together

545
00:25:54,149 --> 00:25:51,919
i get it so if i can do it

546
00:25:57,430 --> 00:25:54,159
why doesn't the scientific community

547
00:26:01,269 --> 00:25:57,440
have the same open mind

548
00:26:03,669 --> 00:26:01,279
you see isaac newton case in point

549
00:26:04,870 --> 00:26:03,679
one of the most undisputed geniuses in

550
00:26:07,750 --> 00:26:04,880
history

551
00:26:08,830 --> 00:26:07,760
whose theories on gravity are not only

552
00:26:12,070 --> 00:26:08,840
in use

553
00:26:14,149 --> 00:26:12,080
today are also some of the most quoted

554
00:26:17,269 --> 00:26:14,159
in science

555
00:26:19,830 --> 00:26:17,279
dude was one of the most spiritual and

556
00:26:21,029 --> 00:26:19,840
god-fearing men since the beginning of

557
00:26:24,310 --> 00:26:21,039
time

558
00:26:28,630 --> 00:26:24,320
and nobody has an issue with it

559
00:26:34,549 --> 00:26:32,149
you see all of science is nothing more

560
00:26:36,310 --> 00:26:34,559
than a series of thinking outside the

561
00:26:40,310 --> 00:26:36,320
box

562
00:26:43,830 --> 00:26:40,320
presenting a theory testing and proving

563
00:26:45,269 --> 00:26:43,840
and then correcting it over and over

564
00:26:47,269 --> 00:26:45,279
again

565
00:26:48,630 --> 00:26:47,279
and then correcting the over and overs

566
00:26:52,870 --> 00:26:48,640
that's what it is

567
00:26:55,510 --> 00:26:52,880
science is a series of corrections

568
00:26:56,230 --> 00:26:55,520
real science is about thinking or

569
00:26:59,190 --> 00:26:56,240
dreaming

570
00:27:00,230 --> 00:26:59,200
about something crazy maybe it's

571
00:27:03,510 --> 00:27:00,240
groundbreaking

572
00:27:06,549 --> 00:27:03,520
it's certainly different and then trying

573
00:27:10,470 --> 00:27:06,559
to figure it out that's it

574
00:27:16,070 --> 00:27:10,480
right isn't the spiritual

575
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,269
simply stated

576
00:27:22,630 --> 00:27:21,350
i can listen to a physicist any

577
00:27:27,269 --> 00:27:22,640
physicist

578
00:27:29,190 --> 00:27:27,279
hours and hours about

579
00:27:31,029 --> 00:27:29,200
the multiverse and time travel and

580
00:27:34,149 --> 00:27:31,039
entanglement and gravity waves and

581
00:27:35,909 --> 00:27:34,159
extraterrestrial life in the big bang

582
00:27:37,510 --> 00:27:35,919
right and they seem to have all the

583
00:27:40,710 --> 00:27:37,520
answers

584
00:27:41,669 --> 00:27:40,720
and that's cool and i love it but when

585
00:27:44,389 --> 00:27:41,679
the question

586
00:27:44,789 --> 00:27:44,399
the real question that is on everybody's

587
00:27:48,230 --> 00:27:44,799
mind

588
00:27:52,230 --> 00:27:48,240
comes up right which is okay

589
00:27:55,590 --> 00:27:52,240
that's fine uh but what is consciousness

590
00:27:57,669 --> 00:27:55,600
right and they just shut down

591
00:27:58,950 --> 00:27:57,679
and their answer is always the same

592
00:28:02,070 --> 00:27:58,960
though you know smug

593
00:28:05,269 --> 00:28:02,080
you know great question i don't know but

594
00:28:08,789 --> 00:28:05,279
it's all probably chemistry

595
00:28:11,430 --> 00:28:08,799
they can't explain how they

596
00:28:13,669 --> 00:28:11,440
are able to think how to speak how to

597
00:28:16,549 --> 00:28:13,679
laugh

598
00:28:18,470 --> 00:28:16,559
and it's a bridge they just don't want

599
00:28:21,510 --> 00:28:18,480
to cross

600
00:28:24,070 --> 00:28:21,520
personally i don't know why

601
00:28:25,669 --> 00:28:24,080
i'll never forget i've said this so many

602
00:28:28,710 --> 00:28:25,679
times but it's true because i

603
00:28:31,190 --> 00:28:28,720
i respect sean carroll

604
00:28:32,870 --> 00:28:31,200
all right even when i you know i wrote

605
00:28:33,190 --> 00:28:32,880
he wrote me back and said you know i'm

606
00:28:38,230 --> 00:28:33,200
uh

607
00:28:40,230 --> 00:28:38,240
you know get a hold of me in six months

608
00:28:43,750 --> 00:28:40,240
two days later he's on rogan

609
00:28:45,510 --> 00:28:43,760
you know whatever but anyway

610
00:28:47,750 --> 00:28:45,520
i'll never forget when sean carroll was

611
00:28:48,710 --> 00:28:47,760
asked uh the question do you believe in

612
00:28:53,029 --> 00:28:48,720
ghosts or

613
00:28:55,510 --> 00:28:53,039
life after death and his answer

614
00:28:57,190 --> 00:28:55,520
quote right i don't have time for such

615
00:29:00,070 --> 00:28:57,200
things

616
00:29:00,870 --> 00:29:00,080
i think about reality i spend my days

617
00:29:04,549 --> 00:29:00,880
working on

618
00:29:06,149 --> 00:29:04,559
numbers and equations and you see his

619
00:29:09,110 --> 00:29:06,159
words were measured

620
00:29:11,110 --> 00:29:09,120
almost too prepared and it made me

621
00:29:11,990 --> 00:29:11,120
wonder if old sean is laying awake at

622
00:29:13,909 --> 00:29:12,000
night in his bed

623
00:29:18,950 --> 00:29:13,919
you know just his head on the pillow

624
00:29:25,029 --> 00:29:23,029
he has to he's too smart

625
00:29:26,870 --> 00:29:25,039
now putting consciousness to the side

626
00:29:28,950 --> 00:29:26,880
for a moment there's another piece to

627
00:29:31,110 --> 00:29:28,960
this puzzle that has to be discussed and

628
00:29:34,070 --> 00:29:31,120
it is this

629
00:29:35,750 --> 00:29:34,080
there are only so many particles so many

630
00:29:38,070 --> 00:29:35,760
chemicals so many gases and

631
00:29:39,510 --> 00:29:38,080
and such throughout the universe and

632
00:29:42,630 --> 00:29:39,520
beyond that

633
00:29:45,269 --> 00:29:42,640
there are only so many ways that

634
00:29:46,950 --> 00:29:45,279
they combine it's a numbers game it's

635
00:29:51,350 --> 00:29:46,960
not infinite

636
00:29:54,950 --> 00:29:51,360
but somehow the basic of the basics

637
00:29:57,990 --> 00:29:54,960
and i'm talking about amino acids carbon

638
00:30:01,830 --> 00:29:58,000
water have learned to combine

639
00:30:05,990 --> 00:30:01,840
into rna and dna

640
00:30:06,789 --> 00:30:06,000
life you see you build a machine to do

641
00:30:09,510 --> 00:30:06,799
something

642
00:30:10,789 --> 00:30:09,520
it works until it breaks you fix it or

643
00:30:13,990 --> 00:30:10,799
throw it away but it

644
00:30:15,510 --> 00:30:14,000
ain't gonna fix itself the cells in our

645
00:30:18,549 --> 00:30:15,520
body

646
00:30:21,590 --> 00:30:18,559
or any living thing for that matter

647
00:30:22,230 --> 00:30:21,600
they repair they fix they change they

648
00:30:25,029 --> 00:30:22,240
modify

649
00:30:26,070 --> 00:30:25,039
and they do whatever it takes to survive

650
00:30:29,510 --> 00:30:26,080
trillions of

651
00:30:32,630 --> 00:30:29,520
times per second of every day of

652
00:30:37,190 --> 00:30:32,640
every year in the body that

653
00:30:39,830 --> 00:30:37,200
makes up you or your dog

654
00:30:41,110 --> 00:30:39,840
the tree in your front yard and they do

655
00:30:44,230 --> 00:30:41,120
this non-stop like

656
00:30:48,710 --> 00:30:44,240
magic anybody can tell me

657
00:30:51,350 --> 00:30:48,720
right now how the f this is possible

658
00:30:53,510 --> 00:30:51,360
right i'll send you a t-shirt i just

659
00:30:56,710 --> 00:30:53,520
want to know

660
00:30:59,190 --> 00:30:56,720
a scientist a physicist any of them will

661
00:31:02,310 --> 00:30:59,200
answer this with

662
00:31:03,590 --> 00:31:02,320
it just happens man it's chemistry

663
00:31:07,029 --> 00:31:03,600
that's it

664
00:31:09,830 --> 00:31:07,039
so in closing

665
00:31:11,990 --> 00:31:09,840
if it's really that simple where

666
00:31:13,110 --> 00:31:12,000
particles and acids are just going to

667
00:31:16,389 --> 00:31:13,120
bump into each other

668
00:31:20,149 --> 00:31:16,399
anywhere they can and life just

669
00:31:22,230 --> 00:31:20,159
happens well it's got to be going on

670
00:31:23,430 --> 00:31:22,240
everywhere all the time throughout the

671
00:31:26,549 --> 00:31:23,440
universe

672
00:31:27,830 --> 00:31:26,559
something this cool and while easy is

673
00:31:30,830 --> 00:31:27,840
one of the most complex

674
00:31:33,830 --> 00:31:30,840
things to have been engineered and

675
00:31:37,430 --> 00:31:33,840
designed and it wasn't by accident

676
00:31:40,310 --> 00:31:37,440
somebody did it and that is what science

677
00:31:41,190 --> 00:31:40,320
needs to figure out look i don't have

678
00:31:43,190 --> 00:31:41,200
all the answers

679
00:31:45,509 --> 00:31:43,200
but i'm curious enough to ask the

680
00:31:46,789 --> 00:31:45,519
questions and right now we need to have

681
00:31:50,230 --> 00:31:46,799
some physicists

682
00:31:53,110 --> 00:31:50,240
step up to the plate and take a swing

683
00:31:53,430 --> 00:31:53,120
seriously i'm your host jimmy church

684
00:31:56,149 --> 00:31:53,440
this

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is fade to black tonight rick delano is

686
00:32:01,509 --> 00:31:58,880
here we're talking about his new film

687
00:32:03,190 --> 00:32:01,519
the end of quantum reality tomorrow

688
00:32:04,470 --> 00:32:03,200
night right here stephen bassett

689
00:32:07,350 --> 00:32:04,480
we're going to be discussing the

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upcoming new biden administration

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and their position on disclosure in the

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ufo question heading into 2021 thursday

693
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night

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long i'm your host jimmy church

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i'll be right back after this short

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break with our guest

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all right welcome back fade to black i

802
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am your host jimmy church

803
00:37:36,150 --> 00:37:34,839
what a great show we've got tonight

804
00:37:38,870 --> 00:37:36,160
producer

805
00:37:41,910 --> 00:37:38,880
rick delano is here and tomorrow night

806
00:37:42,950 --> 00:37:41,920
stephen bassett live from washington d.c

807
00:37:44,870 --> 00:37:42,960
you're not going to want to miss that

808
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and of course thursday night is fader

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night with open lines

810
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all night long rick delano has

811
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worked as an executive producer

812
00:37:55,430 --> 00:37:53,280
financial consultant in the music and

813
00:37:57,990 --> 00:37:55,440
film industries for more than 20 years

814
00:37:59,670 --> 00:37:58,000
and then he released a very

815
00:38:01,589 --> 00:37:59,680
controversial movie called the principal

816
00:38:04,310 --> 00:38:01,599
we will be talking about that tonight

817
00:38:05,589 --> 00:38:04,320
but his newest production is the end of

818
00:38:07,270 --> 00:38:05,599
quantum reality

819
00:38:09,910 --> 00:38:07,280
a work based on the discoveries of

820
00:38:12,150 --> 00:38:09,920
former mit mathematics professor dr

821
00:38:14,230 --> 00:38:12,160
wolfgang smith we are going to talk

822
00:38:15,910 --> 00:38:14,240
about all of that tonight i want to

823
00:38:16,790 --> 00:38:15,920
welcome for the first time to fade to

824
00:38:18,950 --> 00:38:16,800
black

825
00:38:20,150 --> 00:38:18,960
rick delano rick good evening man how

826
00:38:22,710 --> 00:38:20,160
are you

827
00:38:23,910 --> 00:38:22,720
i'm great jimmy thanks for having me on

828
00:38:26,470 --> 00:38:23,920
hey uh

829
00:38:27,430 --> 00:38:26,480
you get the first time guest disclaimer

830
00:38:29,750 --> 00:38:27,440
rick

831
00:38:30,950 --> 00:38:29,760
the next time the next time we have you

832
00:38:32,230 --> 00:38:30,960
on the show you're not going to get it

833
00:38:34,150 --> 00:38:32,240
but here we go

834
00:38:35,589 --> 00:38:34,160
uh and it's this it's just you and i

835
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sitting on my couch having a

836
00:38:39,109 --> 00:38:37,200
conversation as friends

837
00:38:40,630 --> 00:38:39,119
and where the conversation starts where

838
00:38:41,510 --> 00:38:40,640
it ends it ends but we're going to end

839
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his friends

840
00:38:45,589 --> 00:38:44,640
there you go all right you ready works

841
00:38:48,870 --> 00:38:45,599
for me

842
00:38:51,829 --> 00:38:48,880
right on right now um uh you know what

843
00:38:54,069 --> 00:38:51,839
before before we get started here and

844
00:38:56,150 --> 00:38:54,079
there's a lot of foundation uh delay so

845
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we're gonna get into all of that

846
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but uh let me actually start here which

847
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is

848
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film

849
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been so far we have been

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incredibly uh blessed

851
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to uh have

852
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you know we were a little bit freaked

853
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out because basically the entire movie

854
00:39:23,589 --> 00:39:21,359
business ceased to exist in the middle

855
00:39:24,390 --> 00:39:23,599
of our theatrical run back in january

856
00:39:27,750 --> 00:39:24,400
and february

857
00:39:29,190 --> 00:39:27,760
right we had played about 15 cities we

858
00:39:32,390 --> 00:39:29,200
had

859
00:39:34,069 --> 00:39:32,400
all kinds of uh of new opportunities

860
00:39:35,349 --> 00:39:34,079
opening up and then all of a sudden the

861
00:39:38,550 --> 00:39:35,359
movie business ceased

862
00:39:41,430 --> 00:39:38,560
to exist and

863
00:39:43,910 --> 00:39:41,440
we didn't really know uh what kind of an

864
00:39:47,270 --> 00:39:43,920
effect that was going to have

865
00:39:48,950 --> 00:39:47,280
on our digital release and we are just

866
00:39:51,430 --> 00:39:48,960
stunned you know we've

867
00:39:54,310 --> 00:39:51,440
this film has sold into over 60

868
00:39:57,750 --> 00:39:54,320
countries around the world already

869
00:40:00,470 --> 00:39:57,760
we have we have had just remarkable

870
00:40:02,950 --> 00:40:00,480
uh response to the film we've basically

871
00:40:04,150 --> 00:40:02,960
been completely ignored by mainstream

872
00:40:07,829 --> 00:40:04,160
media

873
00:40:09,510 --> 00:40:07,839
uh the the couple of reviews we did get

874
00:40:11,829 --> 00:40:09,520
in in mainstream

875
00:40:13,430 --> 00:40:11,839
uh papers were basically just

876
00:40:15,030 --> 00:40:13,440
contemptuous

877
00:40:16,630 --> 00:40:15,040
uh oh these guys are a bunch of

878
00:40:18,710 --> 00:40:16,640
catholics you don't have to pay any

879
00:40:21,750 --> 00:40:18,720
attention to them

880
00:40:25,589 --> 00:40:21,760
and in spite of that uh we

881
00:40:29,109 --> 00:40:25,599
are just extremely gratified

882
00:40:29,910 --> 00:40:29,119
at the uh at the very wide distribution

883
00:40:33,829 --> 00:40:29,920
the film

884
00:40:36,870 --> 00:40:33,839
continues uh to be receiving through uh

885
00:40:39,990 --> 00:40:36,880
both video on demand and uh

886
00:40:40,950 --> 00:40:40,000
our own uh website for a dvds it's been

887
00:40:43,430 --> 00:40:40,960
remarkable

888
00:40:44,309 --> 00:40:43,440
now it's so funny for you to say

889
00:40:47,670 --> 00:40:44,319
something like

890
00:40:48,710 --> 00:40:47,680
uh catholics because if somebody says

891
00:40:50,630 --> 00:40:48,720
something like that

892
00:40:53,190 --> 00:40:50,640
and it was seriously there they didn't

893
00:40:56,069 --> 00:40:53,200
watch the film

894
00:40:58,790 --> 00:40:56,079
right i think it is a very safe bat that

895
00:40:59,430 --> 00:40:58,800
neither the la times nor the hollywood

896
00:41:02,630 --> 00:40:59,440
reporter

897
00:41:04,790 --> 00:41:02,640
actually watched the film they more or

898
00:41:06,069 --> 00:41:04,800
less admit it you know they they said

899
00:41:08,710 --> 00:41:06,079
you know we

900
00:41:10,550 --> 00:41:08,720
we we couldn't make it hide and you

901
00:41:11,109 --> 00:41:10,560
couldn't make head no tales out of this

902
00:41:12,870 --> 00:41:11,119
but

903
00:41:14,470 --> 00:41:12,880
we went to the website and look they

904
00:41:16,550 --> 00:41:14,480
talk about how

905
00:41:18,309 --> 00:41:16,560
this film was made for the glory of god

906
00:41:22,150 --> 00:41:18,319
so we can ignore it

907
00:41:23,990 --> 00:41:22,160
right you know right well yeah

908
00:41:26,069 --> 00:41:24,000
i i would say well there's so many

909
00:41:28,630 --> 00:41:26,079
groundbreaking things in the film

910
00:41:29,829 --> 00:41:28,640
but my response to that and i want your

911
00:41:32,550 --> 00:41:29,839
response

912
00:41:34,230 --> 00:41:32,560
is that one of the things that i thought

913
00:41:38,470 --> 00:41:34,240
was a revelation in the film

914
00:41:41,829 --> 00:41:38,480
and so warm and cool was tibet

915
00:41:45,349 --> 00:41:41,839
right what does that have to do with the

916
00:41:48,870 --> 00:41:47,109
this is what's so remarkable about

917
00:41:51,910 --> 00:41:48,880
wolfgang i mean when i

918
00:41:53,510 --> 00:41:51,920
first started to really get to know

919
00:41:56,630 --> 00:41:53,520
wolfgang

920
00:41:57,750 --> 00:41:56,640
and i realized what a remarkable man

921
00:41:59,910 --> 00:41:57,760
this is

922
00:42:02,470 --> 00:41:59,920
i mean here is the guy who was accepted

923
00:42:05,990 --> 00:42:02,480
into cornell at 14 years of

924
00:42:08,470 --> 00:42:06,000
age by the time he was 18 he had

925
00:42:11,430 --> 00:42:08,480
graduated with majors in mathematics

926
00:42:14,710 --> 00:42:11,440
physics and philosophy

927
00:42:16,470 --> 00:42:14,720
he had a master's degree in quantum

928
00:42:17,270 --> 00:42:16,480
mechanics from purdue by the time he was

929
00:42:20,630 --> 00:42:17,280
20

930
00:42:22,309 --> 00:42:20,640
and then he took off to india and never

931
00:42:23,990 --> 00:42:22,319
intended to come back by the way it was

932
00:42:25,589 --> 00:42:24,000
never his intention to come back

933
00:42:27,670 --> 00:42:25,599
he's such a remarkable man you know he

934
00:42:30,950 --> 00:42:27,680
said i wanted to

935
00:42:31,910 --> 00:42:30,960
climb this ladder that i knew i could

936
00:42:35,030 --> 00:42:31,920
only find

937
00:42:38,069 --> 00:42:35,040
in the remnants of the ancient

938
00:42:39,510 --> 00:42:38,079
uh vedantic traditions still to be found

939
00:42:41,750 --> 00:42:39,520
deep in the himalayas

940
00:42:43,270 --> 00:42:41,760
i never intended to come back and i said

941
00:42:46,309 --> 00:42:43,280
well why did you

942
00:42:47,750 --> 00:42:46,319
and he smiles and he says because i

943
00:42:50,790 --> 00:42:47,760
wasn't good enough

944
00:42:53,870 --> 00:42:50,800
i couldn't climb that ladder

945
00:42:57,349 --> 00:42:53,880
but nevertheless i came back and an

946
00:42:59,990 --> 00:42:57,359
entirely changed man

947
00:43:02,309 --> 00:43:00,000
and this is such a remarkable man he not

948
00:43:05,270 --> 00:43:02,319
only completely swims

949
00:43:08,550 --> 00:43:05,280
to the deep water of the most advanced

950
00:43:13,349 --> 00:43:08,560
western science mathematics philosophy

951
00:43:17,030 --> 00:43:13,359
he has also made direct living contact

952
00:43:19,670 --> 00:43:17,040
with the most ancient wisdom schools

953
00:43:21,270 --> 00:43:19,680
of mankind that is that at that time

954
00:43:23,190 --> 00:43:21,280
were still to be found

955
00:43:25,589 --> 00:43:23,200
you had to go way up into the himalayas

956
00:43:28,710 --> 00:43:25,599
to find them but they were still there

957
00:43:32,309 --> 00:43:28,720
and he contacted these people and he

958
00:43:34,470 --> 00:43:32,319
swears to me up and down that what he

959
00:43:37,270 --> 00:43:34,480
received over there is something he

960
00:43:37,990 --> 00:43:37,280
never could have received anywhere else

961
00:43:40,790 --> 00:43:38,000
right

962
00:43:43,190 --> 00:43:40,800
and that his entire subsequent course of

963
00:43:46,710 --> 00:43:43,200
his studies of his life

964
00:43:49,829 --> 00:43:46,720
of his writing were deeply influenced

965
00:43:51,589 --> 00:43:49,839
uh by this experience and encounter with

966
00:43:54,230 --> 00:43:51,599
the ancient traditions of the

967
00:43:54,710 --> 00:43:54,240
of the hindu tradition yeah don't you

968
00:43:57,750 --> 00:43:54,720
feel

969
00:44:00,710 --> 00:43:57,760
that um and again we're getting ahead of

970
00:44:03,829 --> 00:44:00,720
our skis but i love the conversation

971
00:44:05,750 --> 00:44:03,839
don't you feel that if you are going uh

972
00:44:07,430 --> 00:44:05,760
to pursue a life of physics and

973
00:44:09,510 --> 00:44:07,440
you want to make that your career and

974
00:44:10,950 --> 00:44:09,520
especially in the quantum side maybe

975
00:44:12,950 --> 00:44:10,960
astro too as well

976
00:44:13,990 --> 00:44:12,960
but if you're going to go there that you

977
00:44:18,150 --> 00:44:14,000
need to do a

978
00:44:22,150 --> 00:44:18,160
six month uh sabbatical in your courses

979
00:44:22,790 --> 00:44:22,160
and go to tibet oh right oh i i i can't

980
00:44:26,069 --> 00:44:22,800
tell you

981
00:44:29,030 --> 00:44:26,079
how much i agree with that it's it

982
00:44:29,430 --> 00:44:29,040
especially now i mean i suppose for a

983
00:44:32,150 --> 00:44:29,440
while

984
00:44:32,790 --> 00:44:32,160
i mean let's face it the enlightenment

985
00:44:36,390 --> 00:44:32,800
had a

986
00:44:39,589 --> 00:44:36,400
very very good run i mean golly

987
00:44:40,790 --> 00:44:39,599
for 300 years it really was possible to

988
00:44:43,990 --> 00:44:40,800
believe

989
00:44:47,109 --> 00:44:44,000
that these guys had found the magic key

990
00:44:48,829 --> 00:44:47,119
uh as we talked in the film what newton

991
00:44:51,670 --> 00:44:48,839
accomplished was so

992
00:44:54,790 --> 00:44:51,680
astonishing so overwhelming

993
00:44:58,150 --> 00:44:54,800
in its power and persuasiveness

994
00:44:59,910 --> 00:44:58,160
that it's perfectly reasonable to

995
00:45:01,750 --> 00:44:59,920
have a little sympathy for the

996
00:45:03,510 --> 00:45:01,760
inheritors of that tradition

997
00:45:05,270 --> 00:45:03,520
when they basically started to look at

998
00:45:05,670 --> 00:45:05,280
every other way of knowing is something

999
00:45:08,150 --> 00:45:05,680
sort of

1000
00:45:10,470 --> 00:45:08,160
contemptuous you know i remember in my

1001
00:45:12,710 --> 00:45:10,480
first film lawrence krauss

1002
00:45:14,870 --> 00:45:12,720
said you know philosophy was useful back

1003
00:45:16,390 --> 00:45:14,880
before we had physical science

1004
00:45:18,309 --> 00:45:16,400
but now that we have physical science

1005
00:45:21,510 --> 00:45:18,319
philosophy is obsolete

1006
00:45:23,670 --> 00:45:21,520
and that arrogance is

1007
00:45:25,910 --> 00:45:23,680
that's the best lord's good that's the

1008
00:45:27,990 --> 00:45:25,920
best lord's grouse impersonation i've

1009
00:45:30,309 --> 00:45:28,000
ever heard

1010
00:45:31,750 --> 00:45:30,319
well you know i spent thousands of hours

1011
00:45:34,309 --> 00:45:31,760
listening to lawrence

1012
00:45:36,790 --> 00:45:34,319
when i was editing the film and you know

1013
00:45:38,470 --> 00:45:36,800
i i really must say i'm deeply indebted

1014
00:45:39,349 --> 00:45:38,480
to lawrence trust my first film would

1015
00:45:42,870 --> 00:45:39,359
have been

1016
00:45:45,990 --> 00:45:42,880
not nearly as good without him

1017
00:45:48,790 --> 00:45:46,000
because a good film you gotta have

1018
00:45:49,670 --> 00:45:48,800
really strong voices all across the

1019
00:45:53,030 --> 00:45:49,680
spectrum

1020
00:45:56,630 --> 00:45:53,040
especially the side that you do not find

1021
00:45:57,270 --> 00:45:56,640
persuasive it's so easy to allow

1022
00:46:00,630 --> 00:45:57,280
yourself

1023
00:46:01,270 --> 00:46:00,640
to to edit a film so that it it sort of

1024
00:46:03,270 --> 00:46:01,280
slants

1025
00:46:05,030 --> 00:46:03,280
toward your side of the tracks sure

1026
00:46:07,270 --> 00:46:05,040
that's not a good documentary a good

1027
00:46:07,910 --> 00:46:07,280
documentary is when the punches are

1028
00:46:11,670 --> 00:46:07,920
thrown

1029
00:46:12,790 --> 00:46:11,680
clean and hard from all sides of the

1030
00:46:14,470 --> 00:46:12,800
spectrum

1031
00:46:15,910 --> 00:46:14,480
and you know lawrence is very

1032
00:46:19,270 --> 00:46:15,920
entertaining

1033
00:46:20,950 --> 00:46:19,280
uh uh you know it takes a certain degree

1034
00:46:23,589 --> 00:46:20,960
of hutzpah

1035
00:46:25,750 --> 00:46:23,599
to actually let a camera be running

1036
00:46:27,349 --> 00:46:25,760
while a doctor of physics explains to us

1037
00:46:29,349 --> 00:46:27,359
the philosophy has no

1038
00:46:30,550 --> 00:46:29,359
we we have no use for philosophy in the

1039
00:46:33,670 --> 00:46:30,560
world anymore

1040
00:46:35,030 --> 00:46:33,680
physics has taken over just to have the

1041
00:46:37,030 --> 00:46:35,040
hoods put to actually

1042
00:46:38,069 --> 00:46:37,040
say something like that with the camera

1043
00:46:41,109 --> 00:46:38,079
running

1044
00:46:41,510 --> 00:46:41,119
it makes for a very good film yeah and

1045
00:46:44,790 --> 00:46:41,520
these

1046
00:46:46,309 --> 00:46:44,800
physicists today uh i call them rockstar

1047
00:46:49,430 --> 00:46:46,319
physicists and

1048
00:46:51,750 --> 00:46:49,440
and where it's different

1049
00:46:53,510 --> 00:46:51,760
maybe feynman may be an exception he was

1050
00:46:55,510 --> 00:46:53,520
a pretty colorful guy

1051
00:46:56,630 --> 00:46:55,520
but he is he is an exception he's a

1052
00:46:59,109 --> 00:46:56,640
great physicist yeah

1053
00:47:00,069 --> 00:46:59,119
great physicist and and and knew how to

1054
00:47:04,390 --> 00:47:00,079
uh

1055
00:47:07,190 --> 00:47:04,400
was he was really good at it but

1056
00:47:08,309 --> 00:47:07,200
but teachers are just hilarious i love

1057
00:47:10,470 --> 00:47:08,319
him so entertaining

1058
00:47:12,390 --> 00:47:10,480
i love him but uh today you know with

1059
00:47:13,030 --> 00:47:12,400
lawrence krauss and sean carroll and

1060
00:47:16,230 --> 00:47:13,040
green

1061
00:47:17,670 --> 00:47:16,240
and and uh even dawkins you can throw

1062
00:47:21,910 --> 00:47:17,680
him into the mix

1063
00:47:24,390 --> 00:47:21,920
um these guys are also performers

1064
00:47:25,270 --> 00:47:24,400
and they are very comfortable in front

1065
00:47:26,950 --> 00:47:25,280
of the camera

1066
00:47:29,430 --> 00:47:26,960
and i don't think we had that in the

1067
00:47:31,349 --> 00:47:29,440
past um and i'll tell you why it wasn't

1068
00:47:32,630 --> 00:47:31,359
it wasn't quite as big of a business in

1069
00:47:34,710 --> 00:47:32,640
the past

1070
00:47:36,470 --> 00:47:34,720
you think about a guy named albert

1071
00:47:39,750 --> 00:47:36,480
einstein

1072
00:47:42,549 --> 00:47:39,760
you know he was working as a clerk

1073
00:47:44,150 --> 00:47:42,559
in the swiss patent office when he wrote

1074
00:47:44,790 --> 00:47:44,160
his paper on special relativity there

1075
00:47:47,670 --> 00:47:44,800
was no

1076
00:47:49,670 --> 00:47:47,680
big science back then i mean this guy

1077
00:47:50,950 --> 00:47:49,680
had to pay the bills by clerking in a

1078
00:47:52,630 --> 00:47:50,960
patent office

1079
00:47:54,309 --> 00:47:52,640
when he wrote what is quite probably the

1080
00:47:56,230 --> 00:47:54,319
most influential paper written in

1081
00:47:58,069 --> 00:47:56,240
physics since newton died

1082
00:47:59,270 --> 00:47:58,079
it's a whole different ballgame now this

1083
00:48:02,790 --> 00:47:59,280
is big

1084
00:48:07,349 --> 00:48:02,800
business it is their business there are

1085
00:48:11,349 --> 00:48:07,359
hundreds of billions of dollars at stake

1086
00:48:14,870 --> 00:48:11,359
and essentially you know the the world

1087
00:48:18,870 --> 00:48:14,880
story that we tell ourselves today

1088
00:48:21,750 --> 00:48:18,880
uh we have learned from the physicists

1089
00:48:23,510 --> 00:48:21,760
and while that story behind the scenes

1090
00:48:25,430 --> 00:48:23,520
is

1091
00:48:26,950 --> 00:48:25,440
it's much more than just fraying at the

1092
00:48:29,829 --> 00:48:26,960
edges as we uh

1093
00:48:32,630 --> 00:48:29,839
say at the beginning of the new film uh

1094
00:48:35,829 --> 00:48:32,640
all of the pillars are wobbling now

1095
00:48:37,109 --> 00:48:35,839
every one of the fundamental things that

1096
00:48:39,670 --> 00:48:37,119
we've all been told

1097
00:48:41,190 --> 00:48:39,680
is certainly true all the way through

1098
00:48:43,829 --> 00:48:41,200
our schooling and growing up

1099
00:48:46,309 --> 00:48:43,839
oh the big bang happened 13.6 no make

1100
00:48:49,349 --> 00:48:46,319
that 13.8 billion years ago

1101
00:48:49,829 --> 00:48:49,359
i remember kraus said to me the big bang

1102
00:48:52,470 --> 00:48:49,839
happened

1103
00:48:54,549 --> 00:48:52,480
it's just as sure as you sitting across

1104
00:48:57,270 --> 00:48:54,559
from me in that chair

1105
00:48:59,349 --> 00:48:57,280
well that's complete nonsense that's an

1106
00:49:03,349 --> 00:48:59,359
insult to the intelligence of

1107
00:49:06,069 --> 00:49:03,359
anyone who can discern the difference

1108
00:49:08,470 --> 00:49:06,079
between the speculative and theoretical

1109
00:49:10,710 --> 00:49:08,480
conclusions of a given scientific

1110
00:49:12,710 --> 00:49:10,720
theory and the fact that i can look at

1111
00:49:16,630 --> 00:49:12,720
you sitting in the chair across from me

1112
00:49:20,150 --> 00:49:16,640
to actually insult our intelligence

1113
00:49:23,589 --> 00:49:20,160
by insisting that the two things can be

1114
00:49:26,630 --> 00:49:23,599
known with similar degrees of certainty

1115
00:49:29,349 --> 00:49:26,640
that's an example of where pr

1116
00:49:30,630 --> 00:49:29,359
has become the product rather than

1117
00:49:33,430 --> 00:49:30,640
science

1118
00:49:35,750 --> 00:49:33,440
guys like einstein guys like heisenberg

1119
00:49:38,710 --> 00:49:35,760
there was no celebrity

1120
00:49:41,510 --> 00:49:38,720
involved uh at the early stages of their

1121
00:49:45,670 --> 00:49:41,520
career later on of course they got it

1122
00:49:47,910 --> 00:49:45,680
but the the entire scientific enterprise

1123
00:49:50,630 --> 00:49:47,920
now is such big business

1124
00:49:52,470 --> 00:49:50,640
has such immense power both financially

1125
00:49:55,030 --> 00:49:52,480
and culturally

1126
00:49:56,630 --> 00:49:55,040
that there is an entire division of

1127
00:49:59,670 --> 00:49:56,640
public relations

1128
00:50:00,470 --> 00:49:59,680
neil degrasse tyson the guys you

1129
00:50:03,670 --> 00:50:00,480
mentioned

1130
00:50:05,190 --> 00:50:03,680
whose real job whose real function is to

1131
00:50:08,630 --> 00:50:05,200
be a talking head

1132
00:50:09,030 --> 00:50:08,640
on your tv set assuring you that we have

1133
00:50:12,150 --> 00:50:09,040
it

1134
00:50:15,109 --> 00:50:12,160
all figured out right supporting their

1135
00:50:15,829 --> 00:50:15,119
dogma and see the thing is and the thing

1136
00:50:24,710 --> 00:50:15,839
is

1137
00:50:28,870 --> 00:50:24,720
back in in the 30s well in the teens

1138
00:50:31,510 --> 00:50:28,880
right uh 1917 1915

1139
00:50:32,230 --> 00:50:31,520
special in general uh when those were

1140
00:50:34,309 --> 00:50:32,240
authored

1141
00:50:35,430 --> 00:50:34,319
and everything that happened after that

1142
00:50:38,470 --> 00:50:35,440
with heisenberg

1143
00:50:40,790 --> 00:50:38,480
and and and boards all of that they

1144
00:50:42,950 --> 00:50:40,800
weren't basing everything on dogma

1145
00:50:45,030 --> 00:50:42,960
these guys were asking a question yeah

1146
00:50:47,750 --> 00:50:45,040
these guys were asking questions

1147
00:50:48,790 --> 00:50:47,760
they were trying to figure things out

1148
00:50:52,309 --> 00:50:48,800
wolfgang of course

1149
00:50:55,030 --> 00:50:52,319
studied directly under people who were

1150
00:50:57,750 --> 00:50:55,040
trained by heisenberg i mean he

1151
00:51:00,549 --> 00:50:57,760
he was at cornell in the 40s this was

1152
00:51:02,870 --> 00:51:00,559
the end of the golden ear the rigor

1153
00:51:03,990 --> 00:51:02,880
involved in getting a physics degree

1154
00:51:07,430 --> 00:51:04,000
then

1155
00:51:10,230 --> 00:51:07,440
was just unimaginable compared to today

1156
00:51:11,270 --> 00:51:10,240
and what wolfgang always told me is that

1157
00:51:14,630 --> 00:51:11,280
science has

1158
00:51:16,470 --> 00:51:14,640
changed drastically since he was

1159
00:51:17,990 --> 00:51:16,480
uh since he was an undergraduate and a

1160
00:51:21,430 --> 00:51:18,000
graduate at

1161
00:51:24,790 --> 00:51:21,440
cornell and purdue at mit that

1162
00:51:27,790 --> 00:51:24,800
the degree of rigor that was required

1163
00:51:29,750 --> 00:51:27,800
under his professors is simply

1164
00:51:32,870 --> 00:51:29,760
unimaginable

1165
00:51:36,950 --> 00:51:32,880
compared to the essentially pr

1166
00:51:40,470 --> 00:51:36,960
operations that we see just

1167
00:51:43,349 --> 00:51:40,480
very powerfully spread and supported

1168
00:51:44,150 --> 00:51:43,359
across the popular science press today

1169
00:51:47,270 --> 00:51:44,160
back then

1170
00:51:50,390 --> 00:51:47,280
there was still a real sense

1171
00:51:53,549 --> 00:51:50,400
that physics was

1172
00:51:58,470 --> 00:51:53,559
the most rigorous

1173
00:52:01,670 --> 00:51:58,480
self-correcting and uh uh

1174
00:52:03,750 --> 00:52:01,680
you couldn't just blow smoke uh

1175
00:52:04,710 --> 00:52:03,760
back in in the early decades of this

1176
00:52:06,870 --> 00:52:04,720
century

1177
00:52:08,630 --> 00:52:06,880
you had to have the goods and you had to

1178
00:52:11,829 --> 00:52:08,640
be able to experimentally

1179
00:52:14,790 --> 00:52:11,839
demonstrate that you had the goods

1180
00:52:17,190 --> 00:52:14,800
and that's where we got the tremendous

1181
00:52:19,589 --> 00:52:17,200
breakthroughs in quantum mechanics

1182
00:52:20,390 --> 00:52:19,599
it wasn't because they had a better pr

1183
00:52:22,390 --> 00:52:20,400
operation

1184
00:52:25,750 --> 00:52:22,400
it wasn't because they had sean carroll

1185
00:52:27,750 --> 00:52:25,760
out writing a new york times bestseller

1186
00:52:29,109 --> 00:52:27,760
because they had the experiments and

1187
00:52:32,230 --> 00:52:29,119
they could show

1188
00:52:35,349 --> 00:52:32,240
that their equations predicted those

1189
00:52:36,870 --> 00:52:35,359
results and there was another oh

1190
00:52:38,790 --> 00:52:36,880
you know what we're going to continue

1191
00:52:40,950 --> 00:52:38,800
this part of the conversation

1192
00:52:44,390 --> 00:52:40,960
when we come back for the break because

1193
00:52:48,069 --> 00:52:44,400
i i have to ask this before the break

1194
00:52:51,190 --> 00:52:48,079
how did you go from

1195
00:52:53,030 --> 00:52:51,200
music and film right executive producing

1196
00:52:56,230 --> 00:52:53,040
and finance and money

1197
00:52:56,630 --> 00:52:56,240
into hardcore physics and the acquiring

1198
00:52:59,270 --> 00:52:56,640
of

1199
00:52:59,990 --> 00:52:59,280
the knowledge was this something that

1200
00:53:02,309 --> 00:53:00,000
you had

1201
00:53:05,190 --> 00:53:02,319
an interest in throughout life or did

1202
00:53:08,390 --> 00:53:05,200
you just jump in with both feet

1203
00:53:11,510 --> 00:53:08,400
i did neither i it was

1204
00:53:15,109 --> 00:53:11,520
thrown into my lap and i

1205
00:53:18,390 --> 00:53:15,119
had no choice when i was asked

1206
00:53:20,549 --> 00:53:18,400
to produce the principle

1207
00:53:22,630 --> 00:53:20,559
i said i don't want to do this i have no

1208
00:53:23,670 --> 00:53:22,640
interest in film i have no experience in

1209
00:53:26,150 --> 00:53:23,680
film

1210
00:53:28,150 --> 00:53:26,160
and my friend bob sanjenis tried a

1211
00:53:29,670 --> 00:53:28,160
couple of times to get other producers

1212
00:53:32,069 --> 00:53:29,680
to take the project

1213
00:53:33,190 --> 00:53:32,079
he was not satisfied with uh with the

1214
00:53:35,109 --> 00:53:33,200
results

1215
00:53:36,870 --> 00:53:35,119
and he finally came to me as a friend

1216
00:53:37,349 --> 00:53:36,880
and said rick you're the only guy i

1217
00:53:42,950 --> 00:53:37,359
trust

1218
00:53:45,990 --> 00:53:42,960
to do this and god help me i said yes

1219
00:53:46,549 --> 00:53:46,000
and making the principle turned out to

1220
00:53:50,950 --> 00:53:46,559
be the

1221
00:53:53,910 --> 00:53:50,960
single most incredibly challenging

1222
00:53:56,069 --> 00:53:53,920
thing i had ever taken on because i was

1223
00:53:56,549 --> 00:53:56,079
going to put my name on this and it

1224
00:53:59,589 --> 00:53:56,559
become

1225
00:54:03,030 --> 00:53:59,599
became clear at a very early stage that

1226
00:54:06,150 --> 00:54:03,040
i would have to know enough

1227
00:54:08,390 --> 00:54:06,160
to not make any glaring mistake

1228
00:54:09,589 --> 00:54:08,400
not with the film with that subject no

1229
00:54:10,870 --> 00:54:09,599
you can't step out of bounds because i

1230
00:54:12,309 --> 00:54:10,880
knew how controversial it was going to

1231
00:54:14,390 --> 00:54:12,319
be i knew we were

1232
00:54:15,589 --> 00:54:14,400
speaking with the leading cosmologists

1233
00:54:18,309 --> 00:54:15,599
in the world

1234
00:54:20,230 --> 00:54:18,319
and i spent about three years before we

1235
00:54:23,589 --> 00:54:20,240
made that film

1236
00:54:27,109 --> 00:54:23,599
simply immersed in

1237
00:54:27,510 --> 00:54:27,119
cutting-edge cosmology and i must have

1238
00:54:30,470 --> 00:54:27,520
read

1239
00:54:33,109 --> 00:54:30,480
at least 500 papers and all the footnote

1240
00:54:36,069 --> 00:54:33,119
references in all of those papers

1241
00:54:37,829 --> 00:54:36,079
in order to prepare for the opportunity

1242
00:54:39,190 --> 00:54:37,839
to sit down and interview men like

1243
00:54:43,750 --> 00:54:39,200
george ellis

1244
00:54:45,990 --> 00:54:43,760
max tegmark lawrence krauss michio kaku

1245
00:54:47,190 --> 00:54:46,000
i was going to get one shot with these

1246
00:54:50,150 --> 00:54:47,200
guys

1247
00:54:50,870 --> 00:54:50,160
and i knew that i had to be in a

1248
00:54:53,910 --> 00:54:50,880
position to

1249
00:54:57,030 --> 00:54:53,920
ask the questions that no

1250
00:54:57,910 --> 00:54:57,040
other journalist was ever going to ask

1251
00:55:01,510 --> 00:54:57,920
them

1252
00:55:02,069 --> 00:55:01,520
i took it very seriously and it was only

1253
00:55:04,069 --> 00:55:02,079
about

1254
00:55:05,349 --> 00:55:04,079
two and a half years in that i realized

1255
00:55:09,270 --> 00:55:05,359
i absolutely love

1256
00:55:12,549 --> 00:55:09,280
this stuff and the best it's the best

1257
00:55:15,349 --> 00:55:12,559
and let me let me ask you this um

1258
00:55:16,630 --> 00:55:15,359
when i watched the principal the first

1259
00:55:20,390 --> 00:55:16,640
time

1260
00:55:23,589 --> 00:55:20,400
um i found myself squirming in my chair

1261
00:55:26,789 --> 00:55:23,599
i i i it pushes you to

1262
00:55:28,390 --> 00:55:26,799
a side of being uncomfortable it does

1263
00:55:30,710 --> 00:55:28,400
that's the job of the film

1264
00:55:33,670 --> 00:55:30,720
well you know i i when i started

1265
00:55:36,390 --> 00:55:33,680
producing documentaries i took as my

1266
00:55:37,670 --> 00:55:36,400
guiding principle that a good

1267
00:55:41,190 --> 00:55:37,680
documentary film

1268
00:55:42,950 --> 00:55:41,200
exists for one fundamental reason

1269
00:55:44,630 --> 00:55:42,960
and that reason is this a good

1270
00:55:48,150 --> 00:55:44,640
documentary film

1271
00:55:50,309 --> 00:55:48,160
will afflict the comfortable and comfort

1272
00:55:51,270 --> 00:55:50,319
the afflicted that's right that's all i

1273
00:55:53,109 --> 00:55:51,280
ever tried to do

1274
00:55:54,390 --> 00:55:53,119
well you pulled it off in the principle

1275
00:55:55,829 --> 00:55:54,400
i mean

1276
00:55:57,829 --> 00:55:55,839
i'm going to tell the audience uh

1277
00:56:01,270 --> 00:55:57,839
earlier today i told rick i said look

1278
00:56:04,069 --> 00:56:01,280
um i didn't really agree

1279
00:56:04,549 --> 00:56:04,079
with much of the principle but it made

1280
00:56:08,950 --> 00:56:04,559
me

1281
00:56:13,190 --> 00:56:08,960
i don't

1282
00:56:15,670 --> 00:56:13,200
to agree with everything rick

1283
00:56:16,470 --> 00:56:15,680
what's the what's the challenge in that

1284
00:56:20,150 --> 00:56:16,480
right

1285
00:56:21,270 --> 00:56:20,160
yeah bravo man i mean there's so much

1286
00:56:23,109 --> 00:56:21,280
pre-packaged

1287
00:56:25,750 --> 00:56:23,119
you lead you around by the nose out

1288
00:56:27,190 --> 00:56:25,760
there to me the most important thing we

1289
00:56:30,470 --> 00:56:27,200
need to recover

1290
00:56:31,510 --> 00:56:30,480
as a culture is the ability to think for

1291
00:56:33,910 --> 00:56:31,520
ourselves

1292
00:56:35,270 --> 00:56:33,920
and learn how to think better for

1293
00:56:37,270 --> 00:56:35,280
ourselves

1294
00:56:39,910 --> 00:56:37,280
and uh you know just as a documentary

1295
00:56:44,069 --> 00:56:39,920
filmmaker i want the tension

1296
00:56:46,710 --> 00:56:44,079
i want there to be very strong conflicts

1297
00:56:48,870 --> 00:56:46,720
and i want each of those arguments to be

1298
00:56:51,510 --> 00:56:48,880
very very persuasive

1299
00:56:53,349 --> 00:56:51,520
and if nothing else i i hope that i will

1300
00:56:55,589 --> 00:56:53,359
do just what you said i hope that i will

1301
00:56:57,109 --> 00:56:55,599
give you something to think about

1302
00:56:58,870 --> 00:56:57,119
let me ask you this we've got a three

1303
00:57:01,990 --> 00:56:58,880
minutes before the break okay

1304
00:57:04,630 --> 00:57:02,000
so take your time but out of

1305
00:57:06,950 --> 00:57:04,640
everybody and that includes wolfgang

1306
00:57:09,109 --> 00:57:06,960
tell me that max tag mark was as cool as

1307
00:57:13,190 --> 00:57:09,119
i think he is

1308
00:57:16,390 --> 00:57:13,200
oh what max was the absolute star

1309
00:57:17,349 --> 00:57:16,400
of the principal hands down no doubt

1310
00:57:21,430 --> 00:57:17,359
about it

1311
00:57:23,829 --> 00:57:21,440
you know it's funny i i i must say

1312
00:57:25,109 --> 00:57:23,839
that of every person i have interviewed

1313
00:57:29,030 --> 00:57:25,119
for both films

1314
00:57:31,910 --> 00:57:29,040
wolfgang smith stands head and shoulders

1315
00:57:32,309 --> 00:57:31,920
above everyone else that i interviewed

1316
00:57:35,349 --> 00:57:32,319
uh

1317
00:57:37,670 --> 00:57:35,359
george ellis was the smartest person i

1318
00:57:39,109 --> 00:57:37,680
interviewed for the principal sure but

1319
00:57:42,710 --> 00:57:39,119
in terms of

1320
00:57:45,270 --> 00:57:42,720
who did the camera just absolutely love

1321
00:57:46,470 --> 00:57:45,280
who brightened up the screen every time

1322
00:57:49,990 --> 00:57:46,480
he was on it

1323
00:57:52,950 --> 00:57:50,000
who left us absolutely

1324
00:57:53,990 --> 00:57:52,960
jolted every time he appeared on screen

1325
00:57:56,630 --> 00:57:54,000
that would be max

1326
00:57:57,349 --> 00:57:56,640
tag mark hands down yeah i i totally

1327
00:58:00,230 --> 00:57:57,359
agree

1328
00:58:00,549 --> 00:58:00,240
and there are a couple of physicists out

1329
00:58:04,150 --> 00:58:00,559
there

1330
00:58:06,069 --> 00:58:04,160
now of course wolfgang uh is unique unto

1331
00:58:08,150 --> 00:58:06,079
himself for his own reasons and we'll

1332
00:58:09,109 --> 00:58:08,160
start to get into that after the break

1333
00:58:12,390 --> 00:58:09,119
but uh

1334
00:58:16,470 --> 00:58:12,400
max and a little bit with brian greene

1335
00:58:17,430 --> 00:58:16,480
um i think that they have a more open

1336
00:58:19,910 --> 00:58:17,440
mind

1337
00:58:21,990 --> 00:58:19,920
right they are okay with exploring and

1338
00:58:25,030 --> 00:58:22,000
they are okay with being wrong

1339
00:58:25,670 --> 00:58:25,040
once in a while and and continuing the

1340
00:58:27,510 --> 00:58:25,680
fight

1341
00:58:29,510 --> 00:58:27,520
and that's what that's what i see in max

1342
00:58:30,950 --> 00:58:29,520
and i've always felt that

1343
00:58:32,710 --> 00:58:30,960
where if you're going to go into the

1344
00:58:35,270 --> 00:58:32,720
sense and wonder of wonderment

1345
00:58:37,109 --> 00:58:35,280
and ponder the significance of it all

1346
00:58:38,870 --> 00:58:37,119
max is going to do that to you

1347
00:58:41,510 --> 00:58:38,880
you know and and he's going to listen to

1348
00:58:45,510 --> 00:58:41,520
what you have to say

1349
00:58:47,589 --> 00:58:45,520
i will never be able to thank max enough

1350
00:58:49,430 --> 00:58:47,599
for you know he became a friend of mine

1351
00:58:50,789 --> 00:58:49,440
because i interviewed him twice for the

1352
00:58:53,670 --> 00:58:50,799
principal

1353
00:58:55,589 --> 00:58:53,680
once in 2011 and then right after the

1354
00:58:56,470 --> 00:58:55,599
plot data came out and the axis of evil

1355
00:58:58,309 --> 00:58:56,480
became

1356
00:59:00,309 --> 00:58:58,319
you know it was completely confirmed

1357
00:59:01,589 --> 00:59:00,319
okay you have to understand when i made

1358
00:59:04,630 --> 00:59:01,599
the principle i'd

1359
00:59:05,829 --> 00:59:04,640
bet to film on the fact that planck

1360
00:59:08,950 --> 00:59:05,839
would confirm

1361
00:59:12,470 --> 00:59:08,960
this amazing axis across the

1362
00:59:14,230 --> 00:59:12,480
cosmos and at least 95

1363
00:59:15,829 --> 00:59:14,240
of the papers that were being published

1364
00:59:18,630 --> 00:59:15,839
while we were editing the film

1365
00:59:20,630 --> 00:59:18,640
were saying it would not be confirmed

1366
00:59:22,630 --> 00:59:20,640
and all the rumors were

1367
00:59:25,270 --> 00:59:22,640
that plant was going to falsify the

1368
00:59:28,230 --> 00:59:25,280
access it was a terrible feeling

1369
00:59:28,789 --> 00:59:28,240
except i remember i asked max i called

1370
00:59:31,990 --> 00:59:28,799
him up

1371
00:59:35,430 --> 00:59:32,000
and i said max i know you've

1372
00:59:38,309 --> 00:59:35,440
got friends on the plant team is there

1373
00:59:40,150 --> 00:59:38,319
anything you can tell me about what

1374
00:59:43,510 --> 00:59:40,160
you're hearing and he said

1375
00:59:46,789 --> 00:59:43,520
well rick i do have friends and

1376
00:59:50,630 --> 00:59:46,799
yes i could tell you but unfortunately

1377
00:59:53,829 --> 00:59:50,640
then i would have to kill you but

1378
00:59:55,030 --> 00:59:53,839
if i were you i'd just keep right on

1379
00:59:57,109 --> 00:59:55,040
going

1380
00:59:59,030 --> 00:59:57,119
and that's when i knew i knew that we

1381
01:00:01,349 --> 00:59:59,040
were going to be okay

1382
01:00:03,030 --> 01:00:01,359
i knew that when punk released its data

1383
01:00:03,990 --> 01:00:03,040
we were going to still be in the ball

1384
01:00:05,589 --> 01:00:04,000
game as a matter of fact we were going

1385
01:00:06,710 --> 01:00:05,599
to be the only film in the world and to

1386
01:00:08,390 --> 01:00:06,720
this day

1387
01:00:10,789 --> 01:00:08,400
we're the only documentary film out

1388
01:00:14,549 --> 01:00:10,799
there that really examines this

1389
01:00:17,030 --> 01:00:14,559
stunning discovery and cosmology

1390
01:00:18,710 --> 01:00:17,040
and i owe all that to max now on the

1391
01:00:20,230 --> 01:00:18,720
other side of the coin and i'll make

1392
01:00:22,789 --> 01:00:20,240
this brief because i know we're up

1393
01:00:26,309 --> 01:00:22,799
against a break

1394
01:00:29,270 --> 01:00:26,319
max like everybody else in academia

1395
01:00:31,510 --> 01:00:29,280
threw me under the bus without the

1396
01:00:33,910 --> 01:00:31,520
slightest hesitation

1397
01:00:35,910 --> 01:00:33,920
when the big controversy broke about the

1398
01:00:38,630 --> 01:00:35,920
principal

1399
01:00:40,309 --> 01:00:38,640
i never was able to get him to respond

1400
01:00:42,630 --> 01:00:40,319
to me again

1401
01:00:44,069 --> 01:00:42,640
after he was quoted in popular science

1402
01:00:47,750 --> 01:00:44,079
magazine as saying i had

1403
01:00:51,589 --> 01:00:47,760
cleverly tricked him

1404
01:00:55,510 --> 01:00:51,599
now max knows that's not true

1405
01:00:58,630 --> 01:00:55,520
he knows that i know that's not true

1406
01:00:59,670 --> 01:00:58,640
but never once after that article

1407
01:01:02,309 --> 01:00:59,680
appeared

1408
01:01:03,430 --> 01:01:02,319
did max tegmark ever again answer a

1409
01:01:06,710 --> 01:01:03,440
phone call

1410
01:01:09,589 --> 01:01:06,720
or an email from me and i find that

1411
01:01:10,150 --> 01:01:09,599
to be very very sad indeed yeah that's

1412
01:01:17,510 --> 01:01:10,160
that

1413
01:01:19,430 --> 01:01:17,520
dollar

1414
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everybody's uh fighting for the next

1415
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book deal uh

1416
01:01:27,430 --> 01:01:24,400
another series on pbs whatever it is

1417
01:01:29,510 --> 01:01:27,440
and uh and that and and i get that

1418
01:01:30,789 --> 01:01:29,520
i can't really fault max for that

1419
01:01:33,910 --> 01:01:30,799
because

1420
01:01:35,750 --> 01:01:33,920
uh it's it's it's the culture

1421
01:01:37,670 --> 01:01:35,760
you know that's it he's he's no

1422
01:01:39,270 --> 01:01:37,680
different than anybody else

1423
01:01:41,030 --> 01:01:39,280
let's take our break right here rick

1424
01:01:41,670 --> 01:01:41,040
great conversation great start to the

1425
01:01:43,349 --> 01:01:41,680
show

1426
01:01:45,109 --> 01:01:43,359
our guest tonight rick delano when we

1427
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come back after the break

1428
01:01:48,630 --> 01:01:47,920
uh we got to go straight to it right we

1429
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have to

1430
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it is dr wolfgang smith who was he the

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life and times and the new film

1432
01:01:57,990 --> 01:01:56,640
which is incredible the end of quantum

1433
01:02:00,870 --> 01:01:58,000
reality tonight

1434
01:02:02,789 --> 01:02:00,880
rick delano executive producer of the

1435
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film and the host

1436
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of the end of quantum reality i'm real

1437
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jimmy church this is fade to black stay

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this is fade to black with jimmy church

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church on fade to black

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all right all right welcome back fade to

1561
01:07:27,109 --> 01:07:25,200
black i'm your host jimmy church tonight

1562
01:07:29,190 --> 01:07:27,119
rick delano is here it's going to be a

1563
01:07:30,789 --> 01:07:29,200
great conversation

1564
01:07:32,630 --> 01:07:30,799
talking about his new film the end of

1565
01:07:34,390 --> 01:07:32,640
quantum reality and

1566
01:07:35,670 --> 01:07:34,400
for the bunker cam i was just showing

1567
01:07:39,589 --> 01:07:35,680
off everybody i've got a

1568
01:07:42,230 --> 01:07:39,599
foot of hair it's still growing

1569
01:07:43,829 --> 01:07:42,240
uh thanks to to the pandemic and uh

1570
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there you go

1571
01:07:49,349 --> 01:07:47,200
i've had one haircut since january

1572
01:07:51,270 --> 01:07:49,359
and uh it's feeling good i'm going back

1573
01:07:54,470 --> 01:07:51,280
to my rock and roll roots

1574
01:07:58,230 --> 01:07:54,480
uh literally literally um

1575
01:08:01,990 --> 01:07:58,240
what a great film and when uh

1576
01:08:03,910 --> 01:08:02,000
when it came up uh uh it was on amazon

1577
01:08:07,190 --> 01:08:03,920
and it's there it's a new release

1578
01:08:08,870 --> 01:08:07,200
and i click on the description and i'm

1579
01:08:10,470 --> 01:08:08,880
when it comes to film i love science

1580
01:08:11,990 --> 01:08:10,480
fiction and all of that you know that's

1581
01:08:15,829 --> 01:08:12,000
that's that's cool but

1582
01:08:18,630 --> 01:08:15,839
my heart longs for uh black and white

1583
01:08:19,110 --> 01:08:18,640
pragmatic documentaries just give me the

1584
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knowledge

1585
01:08:22,870 --> 01:08:21,679
i want to learn something right and i

1586
01:08:24,709 --> 01:08:22,880
and it pops up and i read the

1587
01:08:25,829 --> 01:08:24,719
description i was like holy crap this is

1588
01:08:28,309 --> 01:08:25,839
impossible

1589
01:08:29,269 --> 01:08:28,319
it's like the perfect film right so

1590
01:08:32,390 --> 01:08:29,279
anyway

1591
01:08:34,229 --> 01:08:32,400
i'm gonna start here um and that

1592
01:08:36,149 --> 01:08:34,239
is the beginning of the film i'm gonna

1593
01:08:40,149 --> 01:08:36,159
throw you under the bus a little bit but

1594
01:08:42,630 --> 01:08:40,159
um uh i'm listening to the opening music

1595
01:08:44,789 --> 01:08:42,640
and i love production but i'm listening

1596
01:08:47,510 --> 01:08:44,799
listening to the vocals and

1597
01:08:47,829 --> 01:08:47,520
uh the bass guitar the lines the melody

1598
01:08:51,349 --> 01:08:47,839
and

1599
01:08:53,269 --> 01:08:51,359
a what a cool tune

1600
01:08:55,990 --> 01:08:53,279
all right so anyway i get into the film

1601
01:08:59,110 --> 01:08:56,000
i'll watch it i get to the credits

1602
01:09:03,430 --> 01:08:59,120
and you sing you second wrote

1603
01:09:06,070 --> 01:09:03,440
uh the song um wow

1604
01:09:07,669 --> 01:09:06,080
that's it uh you know i i hope you're

1605
01:09:11,110 --> 01:09:07,679
not blushing right now but

1606
01:09:12,550 --> 01:09:11,120
uh man and i so i want everybody to know

1607
01:09:13,189 --> 01:09:12,560
when you go and watch the film that's

1608
01:09:15,590 --> 01:09:13,199
rick at the

1609
01:09:17,110 --> 01:09:15,600
at the beginning of the film love the

1610
01:09:18,829 --> 01:09:17,120
lyrics by the way

1611
01:09:21,430 --> 01:09:18,839
you got everybody in there you got

1612
01:09:25,749 --> 01:09:21,440
einstein

1613
01:09:28,789 --> 01:09:25,759
nixon

1614
01:09:30,390 --> 01:09:28,799
um yeah it's really funny you mentioned

1615
01:09:32,709 --> 01:09:30,400
that jimmy i

1616
01:09:34,470 --> 01:09:32,719
i always you know the bottom line is

1617
01:09:37,269 --> 01:09:34,480
it's really true we

1618
01:09:37,749 --> 01:09:37,279
we realized pretty early on in editing

1619
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that we

1620
01:09:41,349 --> 01:09:40,000
really needed an original score for this

1621
01:09:43,910 --> 01:09:41,359
thing right

1622
01:09:46,309 --> 01:09:43,920
and uh there's this guy out there who

1623
01:09:51,990 --> 01:09:46,319
was willing to do it for a really really

1624
01:09:58,550 --> 01:09:55,030
it's perfect um and well done

1625
01:10:00,390 --> 01:09:58,560
nobody uh unless they last to the

1626
01:10:03,750 --> 01:10:00,400
credits they're not going to know that

1627
01:10:04,950 --> 01:10:03,760
right and and i thought as i was

1628
01:10:07,510 --> 01:10:04,960
listening to i thought this is

1629
01:10:08,709 --> 01:10:07,520
this is like a a hit song that i missed

1630
01:10:11,270 --> 01:10:08,719
somewhere

1631
01:10:13,110 --> 01:10:11,280
and then i started listening to the

1632
01:10:13,990 --> 01:10:13,120
lyrics i went no this is written for the

1633
01:10:16,070 --> 01:10:14,000
film

1634
01:10:17,750 --> 01:10:16,080
okay so i wanted to make sure in the end

1635
01:10:19,830 --> 01:10:17,760
that i could find out who that artist

1636
01:10:23,270 --> 01:10:19,840
was so i could have him on the show

1637
01:10:25,910 --> 01:10:23,280
and i i i pulled that one off um

1638
01:10:26,550 --> 01:10:25,920
but okay so let's let's get back into

1639
01:10:29,990 --> 01:10:26,560
this

1640
01:10:33,350 --> 01:10:30,000
one of the things that um not only

1641
01:10:36,709 --> 01:10:33,360
is discussed a lot on this show but

1642
01:10:37,270 --> 01:10:36,719
every physicist i have watched just like

1643
01:10:39,590 --> 01:10:37,280
you

1644
01:10:41,750 --> 01:10:39,600
right i've watched all the presentations

1645
01:10:45,030 --> 01:10:41,760
uh going back decades

1646
01:10:46,950 --> 01:10:45,040
i've watched uh all of the online

1647
01:10:49,270 --> 01:10:46,960
courses i've read all the books

1648
01:10:51,590 --> 01:10:49,280
i've listened to all of the interviews

1649
01:10:54,630 --> 01:10:51,600
and everybody gets into

1650
01:10:57,110 --> 01:10:54,640
schrodinger's cat which ends up

1651
01:10:57,990 --> 01:10:57,120
for most people confusing them right

1652
01:11:01,750 --> 01:10:58,000
just the concept

1653
01:11:05,270 --> 01:11:01,760
alone is is is crazy but um

1654
01:11:08,630 --> 01:11:05,280
it is what uh it's the go-to

1655
01:11:11,750 --> 01:11:08,640
subject for all physicists and it

1656
01:11:13,830 --> 01:11:11,760
is also uh would i be wrong

1657
01:11:16,950 --> 01:11:13,840
in saying that it is the central focus

1658
01:11:20,390 --> 01:11:16,960
of the film in in a very strange way

1659
01:11:23,430 --> 01:11:20,400
well you would be absolutely right uh

1660
01:11:26,870 --> 01:11:23,440
schrodinger's cat was just

1661
01:11:27,669 --> 01:11:26,880
irving schroedinger's way of trying to

1662
01:11:29,830 --> 01:11:27,679
make it

1663
01:11:31,270 --> 01:11:29,840
possible for the average person to

1664
01:11:34,630 --> 01:11:31,280
understand

1665
01:11:35,910 --> 01:11:34,640
the complete perplexity that the

1666
01:11:38,870 --> 01:11:35,920
physicists

1667
01:11:40,550 --> 01:11:38,880
were facing when they discovered quantum

1668
01:11:43,270 --> 01:11:40,560
mechanics

1669
01:11:45,030 --> 01:11:43,280
because and and this is this is i hope i

1670
01:11:46,550 --> 01:11:45,040
can get this across to your audience

1671
01:11:49,990 --> 01:11:46,560
because this is the whole

1672
01:11:51,830 --> 01:11:50,000
ballgame this is why quantum mechanics

1673
01:11:54,950 --> 01:11:51,840
remains to this day

1674
01:11:56,310 --> 01:11:54,960
essentially impossible for anyone to

1675
01:12:03,430 --> 01:11:56,320
believe

1676
01:12:06,790 --> 01:12:03,440
is because it works perfectly

1677
01:12:07,350 --> 01:12:06,800
our phones our computers our entire

1678
01:12:10,470 --> 01:12:07,360
world

1679
01:12:13,510 --> 01:12:10,480
works because quantum mechanics

1680
01:12:16,390 --> 01:12:13,520
is the most accurate physical theory in

1681
01:12:20,830 --> 01:12:16,400
the history of humanity

1682
01:12:24,310 --> 01:12:20,840
but what it tells us about the nature of

1683
01:12:27,910 --> 01:12:24,320
reality is so shocking

1684
01:12:31,110 --> 01:12:27,920
that 100 years further in

1685
01:12:32,229 --> 01:12:31,120
the physicists are utterly literally

1686
01:12:35,590 --> 01:12:32,239
being driven

1687
01:12:37,350 --> 01:12:35,600
insane by the implications

1688
01:12:38,870 --> 01:12:37,360
so schrodinger said how can i get this

1689
01:12:43,270 --> 01:12:38,880
across to people

1690
01:12:46,310 --> 01:12:43,280
and he thought of this idea okay

1691
01:12:50,229 --> 01:12:46,320
if we assume

1692
01:12:50,630 --> 01:12:50,239
that physics has been correct over the

1693
01:12:54,709 --> 01:12:50,640
past

1694
01:12:58,390 --> 01:12:54,719
400 years in its fundamental assumption

1695
01:13:01,590 --> 01:12:58,400
that we call reductionism

1696
01:13:04,550 --> 01:13:01,600
reductionism is the fundamental

1697
01:13:06,070 --> 01:13:04,560
magic bullet that has led to the

1698
01:13:11,430 --> 01:13:06,080
scientific revolution

1699
01:13:15,750 --> 01:13:11,440
reductionism is just this it is the idea

1700
01:13:19,590 --> 01:13:15,760
that if you take any object in the world

1701
01:13:24,070 --> 01:13:19,600
and break it down to its smallest

1702
01:13:28,310 --> 01:13:24,080
possible parts and you discover the laws

1703
01:13:31,510 --> 01:13:28,320
governing those smallest possible parts

1704
01:13:32,149 --> 01:13:31,520
you will have described every larger

1705
01:13:35,430 --> 01:13:32,159
object

1706
01:13:38,390 --> 01:13:35,440
composed of those parts

1707
01:13:38,950 --> 01:13:38,400
this is reductionism this is the idea

1708
01:13:41,510 --> 01:13:38,960
that what

1709
01:13:43,669 --> 01:13:41,520
physics is all about is getting down to

1710
01:13:45,910 --> 01:13:43,679
the bottom of the world

1711
01:13:48,310 --> 01:13:45,920
getting down to these fundamental

1712
01:13:50,950 --> 01:13:48,320
particles as they call them

1713
01:13:53,110 --> 01:13:50,960
and discovering the laws that govern

1714
01:13:56,630 --> 01:13:53,120
their behavior

1715
01:14:00,870 --> 01:13:56,640
theoretically if you can do that

1716
01:14:03,910 --> 01:14:00,880
you will be able in turn to describe all

1717
01:14:07,270 --> 01:14:03,920
of the behavior of larger objects

1718
01:14:08,630 --> 01:14:07,280
in the world and this worked beautifully

1719
01:14:11,590 --> 01:14:08,640
all the way through the newtonian

1720
01:14:18,470 --> 01:14:15,430
even einstein is essentially uh

1721
01:14:21,750 --> 01:14:18,480
compatible with this idea of a

1722
01:14:26,149 --> 01:14:21,760
reduction down to the simplest possible

1723
01:14:30,070 --> 01:14:26,159
components of reality quantum mechanics

1724
01:14:33,590 --> 01:14:30,080
blows reductionism into tiny

1725
01:14:37,750 --> 01:14:33,600
little smithereens it is the

1726
01:14:39,270 --> 01:14:37,760
end of the attempt to explain the world

1727
01:14:42,550 --> 01:14:39,280
by getting down to

1728
01:14:45,110 --> 01:14:42,560
the bottom of the world defining these

1729
01:14:46,709 --> 01:14:45,120
fundamental particles and deriving the

1730
01:14:49,990 --> 01:14:46,719
rest of reality from them

1731
01:14:51,189 --> 01:14:50,000
and here's why let's assume

1732
01:14:53,990 --> 01:14:51,199
for the sake of argument the

1733
01:14:57,110 --> 01:14:54,000
reductionism is true that a cat

1734
01:14:57,990 --> 01:14:57,120
for example is fundamentally nothing

1735
01:15:01,270 --> 01:14:58,000
other than

1736
01:15:02,310 --> 01:15:01,280
a collection of quantum particles that's

1737
01:15:06,630 --> 01:15:02,320
what a cat

1738
01:15:09,110 --> 01:15:06,640
is if we assume that to be true

1739
01:15:10,149 --> 01:15:09,120
then of course quantum mechanics will

1740
01:15:13,590 --> 01:15:10,159
apply

1741
01:15:16,310 --> 01:15:13,600
with all of the magnificent accuracy

1742
01:15:18,070 --> 01:15:16,320
that it has been shown to apply to

1743
01:15:20,950 --> 01:15:18,080
electrons and

1744
01:15:22,470 --> 01:15:20,960
and sub-atomic particles it will apply

1745
01:15:25,110 --> 01:15:22,480
just as accurately

1746
01:15:25,669 --> 01:15:25,120
to a collection of those particles like

1747
01:15:30,149 --> 01:15:25,679
a cat

1748
01:15:33,830 --> 01:15:30,159
okay if we assume that to be true

1749
01:15:34,870 --> 01:15:33,840
then we take a cat and we put that cat

1750
01:15:37,830 --> 01:15:34,880
in a box

1751
01:15:39,510 --> 01:15:37,840
so that it cannot be observed or

1752
01:15:43,990 --> 01:15:39,520
measured

1753
01:15:45,910 --> 01:15:44,000
it is just a collection of quantum

1754
01:15:48,470 --> 01:15:45,920
particles then guess what

1755
01:15:49,270 --> 01:15:48,480
schrodinger's wave equation will

1756
01:15:52,709 --> 01:15:49,280
describe

1757
01:15:54,709 --> 01:15:52,719
that cat perfectly to such degrees of

1758
01:15:55,830 --> 01:15:54,719
accuracy that no physical theory has

1759
01:16:00,070 --> 01:15:55,840
ever even come

1760
01:16:02,149 --> 01:16:00,080
close so schroedinger continues

1761
01:16:04,390 --> 01:16:02,159
if we take this cat and put it in the

1762
01:16:05,350 --> 01:16:04,400
box so that cannot be observed or

1763
01:16:08,550 --> 01:16:05,360
measured

1764
01:16:12,070 --> 01:16:08,560
we know that cat is described by a

1765
01:16:15,430 --> 01:16:12,080
wave function we know that wave function

1766
01:16:19,189 --> 01:16:15,440
in turn allows that cat to be in

1767
01:16:21,830 --> 01:16:19,199
many different states at the same time

1768
01:16:24,550 --> 01:16:21,840
this is the fundamental weirdness

1769
01:16:25,510 --> 01:16:24,560
of quantum mechanics when you do quantum

1770
01:16:28,870 --> 01:16:25,520
mechanics

1771
01:16:30,790 --> 01:16:28,880
the mathematics requires you to admit

1772
01:16:32,870 --> 01:16:30,800
that the quantum system can be in many

1773
01:16:35,110 --> 01:16:32,880
different places at the same time

1774
01:16:35,990 --> 01:16:35,120
can have many different momenta at the

1775
01:16:39,189 --> 01:16:36,000
same time

1776
01:16:40,070 --> 01:16:39,199
can have many different states at the

1777
01:16:44,790 --> 01:16:40,080
same

1778
01:16:46,790 --> 01:16:44,800
freaking time now if that's true

1779
01:16:48,870 --> 01:16:46,800
then when we put that cat in the box

1780
01:16:50,630 --> 01:16:48,880
that cat is in a

1781
01:16:53,030 --> 01:16:50,640
superposition they call it a

1782
01:16:56,630 --> 01:16:53,040
superposition of states

1783
01:16:57,110 --> 01:16:56,640
one of those states equates to the cat

1784
01:17:00,550 --> 01:16:57,120
being

1785
01:17:04,070 --> 01:17:00,560
alive and one of the states equates

1786
01:17:07,189 --> 01:17:04,080
to the cat being dead so let's put a

1787
01:17:10,470 --> 01:17:07,199
let's put a geiger counter in there

1788
01:17:13,750 --> 01:17:10,480
and we'll put a we'll put a a

1789
01:17:17,030 --> 01:17:13,760
a radioactive element in the box and

1790
01:17:17,910 --> 01:17:17,040
if that geiger counter registers an

1791
01:17:21,510 --> 01:17:17,920
atomic

1792
01:17:22,550 --> 01:17:21,520
decay that geiger counter is going to

1793
01:17:24,790 --> 01:17:22,560
click

1794
01:17:27,030 --> 01:17:24,800
and that's going to in turn release a

1795
01:17:28,950 --> 01:17:27,040
hammer and that's going to crack open a

1796
01:17:32,149 --> 01:17:28,960
cyanide jar

1797
01:17:35,750 --> 01:17:32,159
and that's going to kill the cat okay

1798
01:17:39,189 --> 01:17:35,760
schrodinger's point is that until

1799
01:17:42,229 --> 01:17:39,199
you open that box the cat

1800
01:17:43,550 --> 01:17:42,239
is described quantum mechanically as

1801
01:17:46,870 --> 01:17:43,560
being in a

1802
01:17:48,870 --> 01:17:46,880
superposition of state there is one

1803
01:17:50,470 --> 01:17:48,880
superposition that corresponds to the

1804
01:17:52,709 --> 01:17:50,480
cat being alive

1805
01:17:54,870 --> 01:17:52,719
and there is one that corresponds to the

1806
01:17:58,110 --> 01:17:54,880
cat being dead

1807
01:18:01,590 --> 01:17:58,120
and the only way to collapse those

1808
01:18:03,830 --> 01:18:01,600
superpositions the only way to collapse

1809
01:18:05,910 --> 01:18:03,840
that wave function

1810
01:18:07,030 --> 01:18:05,920
is to conduct a measurement or an

1811
01:18:10,470 --> 01:18:07,040
observation

1812
01:18:12,870 --> 01:18:10,480
you have to open up the box

1813
01:18:14,310 --> 01:18:12,880
that collapses the wave function of the

1814
01:18:17,110 --> 01:18:14,320
cat down to

1815
01:18:18,550 --> 01:18:17,120
one specific value the superpositions

1816
01:18:21,669 --> 01:18:18,560
disappear

1817
01:18:24,950 --> 01:18:21,679
and only one state is left

1818
01:18:27,189 --> 01:18:24,960
and schroedinger's point is what was the

1819
01:18:28,870 --> 01:18:27,199
state of that cat before i opened the

1820
01:18:31,430 --> 01:18:28,880
box

1821
01:18:32,630 --> 01:18:31,440
quantum mechanics tells us that the cat

1822
01:18:35,750 --> 01:18:32,640
was both

1823
01:18:38,630 --> 01:18:35,760
dead and alive

1824
01:18:40,550 --> 01:18:38,640
until that box was open and schroedinger

1825
01:18:43,990 --> 01:18:40,560
says this is ridiculous

1826
01:18:46,870 --> 01:18:44,000
this is absurd this cannot possibly

1827
01:18:48,149 --> 01:18:46,880
be an accurate and truthful description

1828
01:18:51,910 --> 01:18:48,159
of reality

1829
01:18:55,189 --> 01:18:51,920
however it is absolutely certain

1830
01:18:56,550 --> 01:18:55,199
that it is an accurate description of

1831
01:18:58,630 --> 01:18:56,560
the electrons

1832
01:18:59,990 --> 01:18:58,640
and subatomic particles that make up

1833
01:19:03,669 --> 01:19:00,000
that cat

1834
01:19:06,229 --> 01:19:03,679
so we have a paradox on the one hand

1835
01:19:07,990 --> 01:19:06,239
we know damned well that the cat was

1836
01:19:11,750 --> 01:19:08,000
either dead or alive before we

1837
01:19:14,870 --> 01:19:11,760
opened that box but we also know

1838
01:19:17,030 --> 01:19:14,880
that if the cat is nothing other than a

1839
01:19:20,070 --> 01:19:17,040
collection of quantum particles

1840
01:19:22,149 --> 01:19:20,080
then it was both dead and alive that is

1841
01:19:25,270 --> 01:19:22,159
the fundamental paradox

1842
01:19:27,430 --> 01:19:25,280
of quantum reality why is it that the

1843
01:19:29,910 --> 01:19:27,440
world that we live in

1844
01:19:31,669 --> 01:19:29,920
we don't see cats multi-located we don't

1845
01:19:34,390 --> 01:19:31,679
see dead in the live cats

1846
01:19:36,390 --> 01:19:34,400
we don't see billiard balls in 17 000

1847
01:19:37,910 --> 01:19:36,400
different locations and a sort of cloud

1848
01:19:40,070 --> 01:19:37,920
around the pool table

1849
01:19:41,510 --> 01:19:40,080
that's not the world we live in that's

1850
01:19:46,070 --> 01:19:41,520
not the world

1851
01:19:49,350 --> 01:19:46,080
as we perceive it so what gives here

1852
01:19:51,750 --> 01:19:49,360
is it possible that we are simply being

1853
01:19:54,709 --> 01:19:51,760
subjected to some kind of drastic

1854
01:19:56,870 --> 01:19:54,719
cosmic conspiracy that that in fact in

1855
01:19:57,350 --> 01:19:56,880
some universe the cat is dead all the

1856
01:19:59,189 --> 01:19:57,360
time in

1857
01:20:01,270 --> 01:19:59,199
another universe the cat is alive all

1858
01:20:03,189 --> 01:20:01,280
the time and when we open that box we

1859
01:20:05,590 --> 01:20:03,199
split the universe off

1860
01:20:06,470 --> 01:20:05,600
into one particular version of the

1861
01:20:08,669 --> 01:20:06,480
universe

1862
01:20:10,550 --> 01:20:08,679
that's how lost they are that's how

1863
01:20:13,590 --> 01:20:10,560
absolutely

1864
01:20:16,870 --> 01:20:13,600
lost one has to be

1865
01:20:21,270 --> 01:20:16,880
in order to hold on to this idea of

1866
01:20:24,310 --> 01:20:21,280
reductionism the other alternative

1867
01:20:27,189 --> 01:20:24,320
is even scarier for most people

1868
01:20:29,750 --> 01:20:27,199
the other alternative is that the world

1869
01:20:32,229 --> 01:20:29,760
does not reduce to the particles and

1870
01:20:34,390 --> 01:20:32,239
fields and equations of physics

1871
01:20:35,750 --> 01:20:34,400
that there is something actually

1872
01:20:39,510 --> 01:20:35,760
operative

1873
01:20:41,350 --> 01:20:39,520
in the world that yields the world that

1874
01:20:44,470 --> 01:20:41,360
we live in

1875
01:20:45,350 --> 01:20:44,480
and is superior is above in a causative

1876
01:20:47,669 --> 01:20:45,360
sense

1877
01:20:48,470 --> 01:20:47,679
the causation that collapses the wave

1878
01:20:51,189 --> 01:20:48,480
function

1879
01:20:52,629 --> 01:20:51,199
is not bubbling up from below as the

1880
01:20:56,390 --> 01:20:52,639
reductionist

1881
01:20:59,510 --> 01:20:56,400
theory would require but something above

1882
01:21:00,390 --> 01:20:59,520
that level this causation emanating from

1883
01:21:02,629 --> 01:21:00,400
above

1884
01:21:04,470 --> 01:21:02,639
the level of quantum mechanics that

1885
01:21:07,910 --> 01:21:04,480
collapses the wave function

1886
01:21:10,790 --> 01:21:07,920
and yields the world in which every cat

1887
01:21:12,470 --> 01:21:10,800
is either dead or alive so the question

1888
01:21:16,229 --> 01:21:12,480
is real simple

1889
01:21:20,070 --> 01:21:16,239
is reality quantum in nature

1890
01:21:23,189 --> 01:21:20,080
or is reality not quantum in nature

1891
01:21:27,510 --> 01:21:26,070
this question is of such profound

1892
01:21:30,870 --> 01:21:27,520
importance

1893
01:21:31,750 --> 01:21:30,880
it is far it it will determine the

1894
01:21:35,669 --> 01:21:31,760
future

1895
01:21:37,270 --> 01:21:35,679
to a far greater extent than copernicus

1896
01:21:39,110 --> 01:21:37,280
changed the future

1897
01:21:41,830 --> 01:21:39,120
with his heliocentric theory that

1898
01:21:43,669 --> 01:21:41,840
changed the entire picture of the world

1899
01:21:45,030 --> 01:21:43,679
how we answer this question about

1900
01:21:47,750 --> 01:21:45,040
quantum reality

1901
01:21:49,430 --> 01:21:47,760
will determine the kind of world that

1902
01:21:53,510 --> 01:21:49,440
our children and their children

1903
01:21:54,470 --> 01:21:53,520
grow up in do we do the physicists and

1904
01:21:57,669 --> 01:21:54,480
the quantum

1905
01:22:00,870 --> 01:21:57,679
mechanics side of things do they

1906
01:22:01,910 --> 01:22:00,880
wield too much power and before you

1907
01:22:04,470 --> 01:22:01,920
answer that

1908
01:22:07,590 --> 01:22:04,480
well before you yeah before you answer

1909
01:22:11,030 --> 01:22:09,910
we and i'm talking about the status quo

1910
01:22:14,709 --> 01:22:11,040
the average person

1911
01:22:18,470 --> 01:22:14,719
right i can't interpret the algorithms

1912
01:22:21,750 --> 01:22:18,480
i can't interpret the math uh we depend

1913
01:22:26,149 --> 01:22:21,760
on the physicists in these equations

1914
01:22:29,270 --> 01:22:26,159
to represent those to us in theatrics

1915
01:22:32,229 --> 01:22:29,280
right to explain what these uh

1916
01:22:32,629 --> 01:22:32,239
what these numbers and symbols mean we

1917
01:22:35,030 --> 01:22:32,639
don't

1918
01:22:36,709 --> 01:22:35,040
know do they wield too much power

1919
01:22:39,830 --> 01:22:36,719
because of that

1920
01:22:40,709 --> 01:22:39,840
they absolutely do it it's analogous i

1921
01:22:44,709 --> 01:22:40,719
think to

1922
01:22:46,390 --> 01:22:44,719
um look at the world that we had before

1923
01:22:49,110 --> 01:22:46,400
the enlightenment

1924
01:22:52,070 --> 01:22:49,120
the magic box in that world was the

1925
01:22:54,870 --> 01:22:52,080
catholic magisterium

1926
01:22:55,189 --> 01:22:54,880
catholic church was it was in possession

1927
01:22:59,030 --> 01:22:55,199
of

1928
01:23:02,709 --> 01:22:59,040
oracular knowledge direct from

1929
01:23:07,669 --> 01:23:02,719
god and any question

1930
01:23:11,709 --> 01:23:07,679
that impinged upon the catholic faith

1931
01:23:15,270 --> 01:23:11,719
would be in solidly uh

1932
01:23:17,590 --> 01:23:15,280
ex-postulated punishable right

1933
01:23:18,310 --> 01:23:17,600
and the world would would operate based

1934
01:23:20,390 --> 01:23:18,320
on that

1935
01:23:21,430 --> 01:23:20,400
in other words that's where we went for

1936
01:23:24,950 --> 01:23:21,440
our answers

1937
01:23:28,310 --> 01:23:24,960
right now my question to you is

1938
01:23:30,070 --> 01:23:28,320
did they have too much power well i can

1939
01:23:31,830 --> 01:23:30,080
certainly think of

1940
01:23:33,510 --> 01:23:31,840
several people who would probably argue

1941
01:23:35,350 --> 01:23:33,520
that in fact they did

1942
01:23:36,790 --> 01:23:35,360
i think galileo would have something to

1943
01:23:39,270 --> 01:23:36,800
say about that i think he would

1944
01:23:41,110 --> 01:23:39,280
and and and certainly bruno bruno for

1945
01:23:42,790 --> 01:23:41,120
bruno he

1946
01:23:44,310 --> 01:23:42,800
actually got away got got off pretty

1947
01:23:46,390 --> 01:23:44,320
easy i mean he lived in luxury

1948
01:23:49,669 --> 01:23:46,400
apartments for a few years

1949
01:23:51,430 --> 01:23:49,679
bruno burned yes he got toasted yes

1950
01:23:54,709 --> 01:23:51,440
and so here's the thing now i have

1951
01:23:57,669 --> 01:23:54,719
looked at this very carefully and i have

1952
01:23:58,229 --> 01:23:57,679
i have my own very deep conclusions on

1953
01:24:01,590 --> 01:23:58,239
this

1954
01:24:04,470 --> 01:24:01,600
which i rigorously try to separate

1955
01:24:05,910 --> 01:24:04,480
from any of the work that i do right

1956
01:24:09,189 --> 01:24:05,920
here and right now

1957
01:24:12,790 --> 01:24:09,199
because at the end of the day

1958
01:24:15,990 --> 01:24:12,800
i have no right to insist that you

1959
01:24:19,430 --> 01:24:16,000
jimmy believe what i

1960
01:24:21,430 --> 01:24:19,440
believe because i tell you i'm sure i'm

1961
01:24:24,390 --> 01:24:21,440
right about it

1962
01:24:25,750 --> 01:24:24,400
i can be as convinced as possible that i

1963
01:24:27,990 --> 01:24:25,760
am right

1964
01:24:29,350 --> 01:24:28,000
the problem comes when i try to say

1965
01:24:32,950 --> 01:24:29,360
jimmy

1966
01:24:35,430 --> 01:24:32,960
for your own good now

1967
01:24:37,070 --> 01:24:35,440
i'm going to have to ask you to sign

1968
01:24:40,390 --> 01:24:37,080
this piece of paper

1969
01:24:43,590 --> 01:24:40,400
unfortunately we no longer

1970
01:24:47,189 --> 01:24:43,600
live in a world

1971
01:24:50,390 --> 01:24:47,199
where that's possible and

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01:24:53,430 --> 01:24:50,400
the reaction against that was precisely

1973
01:24:56,830 --> 01:24:53,440
enlightenment science and

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01:25:00,870 --> 01:24:56,840
the scientists said we will no longer

1975
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accept on authority

1976
01:25:08,550 --> 01:25:04,159
answers to questions which we propose

1977
01:25:12,709 --> 01:25:08,560
can be better answered by experimental

1978
01:25:15,669 --> 01:25:12,719
tests that is the most radical idea

1979
01:25:17,110 --> 01:25:15,679
since the gospels and the simplest and

1980
01:25:20,870 --> 01:25:17,120
the simplest

1981
01:25:24,709 --> 01:25:20,880
right and here's here's the irony jimmy

1982
01:25:28,390 --> 01:25:24,719
the pendulum has swung all the way

1983
01:25:30,470 --> 01:25:28,400
over to the other extreme our miracles

1984
01:25:34,390 --> 01:25:30,480
come from laboratories

1985
01:25:37,430 --> 01:25:34,400
our oracles are the scientists

1986
01:25:41,030 --> 01:25:37,440
and what have they done well

1987
01:25:44,070 --> 01:25:41,040
quite predictably what they have done

1988
01:25:47,110 --> 01:25:44,080
is they have created for themselves a

1989
01:25:47,910 --> 01:25:47,120
monumental propaganda apparatus to make

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01:25:51,669 --> 01:25:47,920
sure

1991
01:25:56,470 --> 01:25:51,679
nobody questions them especially on

1992
01:26:00,550 --> 01:25:56,480
fundamental issues issues like

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01:26:03,590 --> 01:26:00,560
where does the universe come from right

1994
01:26:06,070 --> 01:26:03,600
how does the universe operate

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01:26:07,510 --> 01:26:06,080
these are questions which have become

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the province

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of the enlightenment research

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project and here's the dirty little

1999
01:26:18,870 --> 01:26:16,159
secret and it's not so much of a secret

2000
01:26:19,350 --> 01:26:18,880
for most people it still is but i can

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01:26:23,030 --> 01:26:19,360
tell you

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01:26:25,030 --> 01:26:23,040
for sure that the world story

2003
01:26:27,669 --> 01:26:25,040
that the enlightenment has with

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01:26:30,550 --> 01:26:27,679
fanatical brilliance

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01:26:31,430 --> 01:26:30,560
developed over the past four centuries

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has

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it no longer coheres

2008
01:26:45,669 --> 01:26:42,719
we do not have in the

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01:26:47,030 --> 01:26:45,679
materialist reductionist scientific

2010
01:26:50,790 --> 01:26:47,040
enterprise

2011
01:26:52,550 --> 01:26:50,800
a coherent explanation for any of the

2012
01:26:55,189 --> 01:26:52,560
questions

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01:26:56,149 --> 01:26:55,199
that we have entrusted this research

2014
01:26:58,790 --> 01:26:56,159
program

2015
01:27:00,470 --> 01:26:58,800
to give us the answers to i'll give you

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01:27:03,030 --> 01:27:00,480
an example

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01:27:04,149 --> 01:27:03,040
i would say that at least 90 percent of

2018
01:27:06,870 --> 01:27:04,159
the

2019
01:27:07,669 --> 01:27:06,880
people listening to my voice right now

2020
01:27:10,310 --> 01:27:07,679
were taught

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01:27:12,149 --> 01:27:10,320
in school that there was this thing

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01:27:14,149 --> 01:27:12,159
called the big bang

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01:27:15,830 --> 01:27:14,159
and it happened well when it happened it

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01:27:18,070 --> 01:27:15,840
changes every

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01:27:19,669 --> 01:27:18,080
every time they send up a new satellite

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01:27:21,990 --> 01:27:19,679
the amount of years changes

2027
01:27:22,870 --> 01:27:22,000
but it's the order of magnitude stays

2028
01:27:26,310 --> 01:27:22,880
about the same

2029
01:27:29,510 --> 01:27:26,320
something around 13.6 13.8

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billion years ago

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01:27:35,990 --> 01:27:32,880
this thing called the big bang happened

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01:27:39,110 --> 01:27:36,000
and every single thing that has

2033
01:27:42,550 --> 01:27:39,120
occurred since then

2034
01:27:47,110 --> 01:27:42,560
in terms of the motions of objects

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01:27:50,950 --> 01:27:47,120
in this universe can implicitly

2036
01:27:53,990 --> 01:27:50,960
be scientifically calculated

2037
01:27:55,350 --> 01:27:54,000
based on our present understanding of

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01:27:57,590 --> 01:27:55,360
physics

2039
01:27:58,830 --> 01:27:57,600
and anybody who doesn't believe that is

2040
01:28:02,629 --> 01:27:58,840
either a

2041
01:28:05,830 --> 01:28:02,639
crackpot or a pseudo scientist

2042
01:28:06,629 --> 01:28:05,840
or a religious nut that's essentially

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01:28:09,750 --> 01:28:06,639
the vel

2044
01:28:11,910 --> 01:28:09,760
glove

2045
01:28:13,510 --> 01:28:11,920
do you think it's changed yeah do you

2046
01:28:15,990 --> 01:28:13,520
think it's changing

2047
01:28:16,550 --> 01:28:16,000
uh it's over it's not only changing

2048
01:28:19,870 --> 01:28:16,560
their

2049
01:28:22,229 --> 01:28:19,880
own story doesn't hold together even

2050
01:28:23,830 --> 01:28:22,239
approximately anymore let me give you

2051
01:28:27,510 --> 01:28:23,840
just a couple of brief examples

2052
01:28:27,990 --> 01:28:27,520
sure okay so the big bang happened 13.8

2053
01:28:31,030 --> 01:28:28,000
billion years

2054
01:28:34,229 --> 01:28:31,040
ago and we know that because

2055
01:28:35,350 --> 01:28:34,239
they tell us yeah well because it has to

2056
01:28:37,669 --> 01:28:35,360
have been 30

2057
01:28:38,390 --> 01:28:37,679
because that's how long it would take

2058
01:28:42,470 --> 01:28:38,400
for

2059
01:28:45,430 --> 01:28:42,480
the primeval uh singularity

2060
01:28:47,030 --> 01:28:45,440
to reach the point where we would see a

2061
01:28:48,709 --> 01:28:47,040
universe that looks like this one oh

2062
01:28:50,870 --> 01:28:48,719
well that's very impressive

2063
01:28:53,590 --> 01:28:50,880
how do you know that well we have

2064
01:28:54,629 --> 01:28:53,600
einstein's theory of gravitation general

2065
01:28:58,229 --> 01:28:54,639
relativity

2066
01:29:00,229 --> 01:28:58,239
oh well wait a minute you're telling me

2067
01:29:01,590 --> 01:29:00,239
that einstein's cereal gravitation

2068
01:29:04,950 --> 01:29:01,600
predicts

2069
01:29:07,430 --> 01:29:04,960
the sky that we observe well

2070
01:29:08,870 --> 01:29:07,440
not exactly we're a little bit off we

2071
01:29:11,590 --> 01:29:08,880
need to add a couple of

2072
01:29:12,550 --> 01:29:11,600
things in or really like what well we

2073
01:29:14,470 --> 01:29:12,560
need to add in

2074
01:29:16,310 --> 01:29:14,480
uh some missing matter because we're a

2075
01:29:18,950 --> 01:29:16,320
little bit off we can't quite

2076
01:29:20,790 --> 01:29:18,960
get the gravitational formulas to work

2077
01:29:22,790 --> 01:29:20,800
based on the matter we see in our

2078
01:29:25,669 --> 01:29:22,800
telescopes oh so how much are you up

2079
01:29:26,790 --> 01:29:25,679
a percent two percent well it's a little

2080
01:29:29,830 --> 01:29:26,800
more than that

2081
01:29:34,070 --> 01:29:29,840
well how much more well frankly we're

2082
01:29:37,510 --> 01:29:34,080
off by 95.9

2083
01:29:40,110 --> 01:29:37,520
what are you kidding me you have to add

2084
01:29:45,669 --> 01:29:42,709
95.9

2085
01:29:45,990 --> 01:29:45,679
of the mass and energy of the universe

2086
01:29:51,990 --> 01:29:46,000
of

2087
01:29:54,790 --> 01:29:52,000
make einstein's equations work

2088
01:29:56,310 --> 01:29:54,800
yes and they're only they're only at

2089
01:30:00,550 --> 01:29:56,320
that point

2090
01:30:02,790 --> 01:30:00,560
now

2091
01:30:05,030 --> 01:30:02,800
and there's one other thing we're up

2092
01:30:08,790 --> 01:30:05,040
against a break i've only got 30 seconds

2093
01:30:09,189 --> 01:30:08,800
but if we go back to when einstein was

2094
01:30:11,990 --> 01:30:09,199
here

2095
01:30:13,350 --> 01:30:12,000
right southern california mount wilson

2096
01:30:16,149 --> 01:30:13,360
up there with hollywood

2097
01:30:16,790 --> 01:30:16,159
i've been to that i've sat in the chair

2098
01:30:19,270 --> 01:30:16,800
he sat

2099
01:30:21,590 --> 01:30:19,280
in and and and einstein didn't believe

2100
01:30:23,910 --> 01:30:21,600
it until he looked in that telescope

2101
01:30:25,750 --> 01:30:23,920
and started to see what hubble was

2102
01:30:28,149 --> 01:30:25,760
seeing and measuring

2103
01:30:29,910 --> 01:30:28,159
and and even einstein he thought

2104
01:30:32,229 --> 01:30:29,920
everything was static up to that point

2105
01:30:33,510 --> 01:30:32,239
he was exactly right that's right that's

2106
01:30:36,229 --> 01:30:33,520
exactly right

2107
01:30:37,270 --> 01:30:36,239
and it took it it was it was hubble blew

2108
01:30:41,590 --> 01:30:37,280
the entire

2109
01:30:45,270 --> 01:30:41,600
he blew he he blew his own mind

2110
01:30:46,229 --> 01:30:45,280
hubble was the one who saw all of these

2111
01:30:48,870 --> 01:30:46,239
redshifts

2112
01:30:51,350 --> 01:30:48,880
everywhere he looked in the sky and he

2113
01:30:55,189 --> 01:30:51,360
was smart enough to realize

2114
01:30:58,790 --> 01:30:55,199
okay if if everything that i can

2115
01:31:02,870 --> 01:30:58,800
see in all directions is moving

2116
01:31:06,229 --> 01:31:02,880
away from me faster what

2117
01:31:10,229 --> 01:31:06,239
what does that tell us about where i

2118
01:31:12,310 --> 01:31:10,239
am in relation to all that stuff

2119
01:31:13,350 --> 01:31:12,320
it was an incredible thing yeah go ahead

2120
01:31:17,030 --> 01:31:13,360
it tells me that i am

2121
01:31:19,270 --> 01:31:17,040
directly in the freaking center

2122
01:31:20,790 --> 01:31:19,280
of all that stuff and this freaked him

2123
01:31:22,629 --> 01:31:20,800
out so bad he

2124
01:31:25,189 --> 01:31:22,639
in his book uh of the observational

2125
01:31:27,270 --> 01:31:25,199
approach to cosmology he literally has

2126
01:31:29,990 --> 01:31:27,280
sort of a nervous breakdown trying to

2127
01:31:33,030 --> 01:31:30,000
say this is intolerable

2128
01:31:36,070 --> 01:31:33,040
we have to find some way to explain this

2129
01:31:39,430 --> 01:31:36,080
there has to be some other answer

2130
01:31:42,470 --> 01:31:39,440
because the simplest answer

2131
01:31:44,950 --> 01:31:42,480
to what i see in my telescope tells us

2132
01:31:46,390 --> 01:31:44,960
that the ancient idea of earth in the

2133
01:31:49,110 --> 01:31:46,400
center of the universe

2134
01:31:49,669 --> 01:31:49,120
is exactly what my telescope is telling

2135
01:31:51,350 --> 01:31:49,679
me

2136
01:31:52,870 --> 01:31:51,360
let's take our break right here rick i

2137
01:31:55,110 --> 01:31:52,880
got to jump in

2138
01:31:55,910 --> 01:31:55,120
we're against a hard break this is fade

2139
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to black

2140
01:32:00,870 --> 01:31:58,560
i am your host jimmy church tonight rick

2141
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delano we are talking about his new film

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it is out now the end of quantum

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reality i'm your host jimmy church this

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is fade to black stay with us

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then

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welcome back fade to black i'm your host

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jimmy church and one of the things i

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have been talking about

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all week on this show and last week

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is about what is going on right now with

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you and your personal data because

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taken from you and on the website that

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jimmy church our guest tonight rick

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01:37:49,669 --> 01:37:47,760
delano

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01:37:51,910 --> 01:37:49,679
and we're talking about his new film the

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end of quantum reality and before the

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break

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when uh we're discussing these

2265
01:38:00,790 --> 01:37:58,400
amazing uh discoveries that happened all

2266
01:38:01,350 --> 01:38:00,800
the way back in 1922 with edwin hubble

2267
01:38:04,070 --> 01:38:01,360
and

2268
01:38:05,590 --> 01:38:04,080
convincing albert einstein that the

2269
01:38:08,629 --> 01:38:05,600
universe was not only

2270
01:38:10,390 --> 01:38:08,639
expanding and not static but it was

2271
01:38:13,030 --> 01:38:10,400
speeding up and all of this wasn't

2272
01:38:16,550 --> 01:38:13,040
confirmed as we know now today rick

2273
01:38:18,310 --> 01:38:16,560
all the way until 1998 and today the

2274
01:38:20,790 --> 01:38:18,320
discussion is about

2275
01:38:22,070 --> 01:38:20,800
uh what is actually doing this and you

2276
01:38:24,390 --> 01:38:22,080
know dark energy

2277
01:38:25,669 --> 01:38:24,400
we can't see it we can't measure it but

2278
01:38:28,870 --> 01:38:25,679
this is actually

2279
01:38:30,950 --> 01:38:28,880
what is happening right now and

2280
01:38:32,310 --> 01:38:30,960
and that's where we are today and i'm

2281
01:38:34,709 --> 01:38:32,320
not sure that

2282
01:38:36,310 --> 01:38:34,719
uh the physicists and astrophysicists

2283
01:38:38,790 --> 01:38:36,320
out there in the world can even answer

2284
01:38:41,590 --> 01:38:38,800
these questions

2285
01:38:43,270 --> 01:38:41,600
well it's it's even worse than that

2286
01:38:46,870 --> 01:38:43,280
jimmy

2287
01:38:50,310 --> 01:38:46,880
these ideas dark matter and dark energy

2288
01:38:52,709 --> 01:38:50,320
we are constantly treated to expositions

2289
01:38:54,950 --> 01:38:52,719
about what these things might be

2290
01:38:56,629 --> 01:38:54,960
it's admitted that yes strangely enough

2291
01:38:59,830 --> 01:38:56,639
we haven't found the slightest

2292
01:39:03,189 --> 01:38:59,840
evidence for either of these things

2293
01:39:04,870 --> 01:39:03,199
which by the way make up 95.9 percent of

2294
01:39:06,470 --> 01:39:04,880
the massive energy in the universe in

2295
01:39:08,709 --> 01:39:06,480
other words

2296
01:39:11,990 --> 01:39:08,719
the mainstream science story today

2297
01:39:16,709 --> 01:39:12,000
requires us to believe

2298
01:39:20,470 --> 01:39:16,719
that we are unable to detect

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01:39:23,669 --> 01:39:20,480
what constitutes 96 of the universe

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01:39:26,070 --> 01:39:23,679
just that we can observe now that's

2301
01:39:28,550 --> 01:39:26,080
pretty disquieting to me

2302
01:39:29,350 --> 01:39:28,560
but okay let's say for the sake of

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01:39:33,669 --> 01:39:29,360
argument that

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01:39:34,550 --> 01:39:33,679
that's just the way it is we have 95.9

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01:39:39,030 --> 01:39:34,560
percent

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01:39:41,990 --> 01:39:39,040
of the universe

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01:39:42,470 --> 01:39:42,000
that has so far managed to escape the

2308
01:39:47,430 --> 01:39:42,480
most

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01:39:50,149 --> 01:39:47,440
exquisite attempts to detect them okay

2310
01:39:50,629 --> 01:39:50,159
what's the other possibility that no one

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01:39:54,550 --> 01:39:50,639
ever

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01:39:58,070 --> 01:39:54,560
talks about the other possibility jimmy

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01:40:01,189 --> 01:39:58,080
is that dark energy and dark matter

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01:40:04,790 --> 01:40:01,199
are simply terms

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01:40:10,629 --> 01:40:04,800
added into the einstein equations

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01:40:14,310 --> 01:40:10,639
to bridge the otherwise insuperable gap

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01:40:17,109 --> 01:40:14,320
between theory and observation

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01:40:18,229 --> 01:40:17,119
in other words the other possibility is

2319
01:40:21,109 --> 01:40:18,239
that our theories

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01:40:21,350 --> 01:40:21,119
are wrong that's right and we are and we

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01:40:25,189 --> 01:40:21,360
are

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01:40:28,790 --> 01:40:25,199
patching them up with these

2323
01:40:30,470 --> 01:40:28,800
hand-waving appeals to dark matter and

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01:40:34,830 --> 01:40:30,480
dark energy

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01:40:37,990 --> 01:40:34,840
because we know they have to be there

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01:40:41,350 --> 01:40:38,000
otherwise our theories

2327
01:40:44,629 --> 01:40:41,360
are drastically falsified

2328
01:40:45,750 --> 01:40:44,639
by direct observation now this second

2329
01:40:49,750 --> 01:40:45,760
possibility

2330
01:40:51,750 --> 01:40:49,760
is essentially never talked about

2331
01:40:53,590 --> 01:40:51,760
as a matter of fact to even raise this

2332
01:40:57,669 --> 01:40:53,600
possibility

2333
01:41:01,990 --> 01:40:57,679
is to earn yourself a stern

2334
01:41:04,070 --> 01:41:02,000
rebuke as you know either a crackpot or

2335
01:41:06,870 --> 01:41:04,080
a pseudo-scientist or a religious

2336
01:41:07,750 --> 01:41:06,880
fundamentalist to even raise these

2337
01:41:11,030 --> 01:41:07,760
questions

2338
01:41:13,990 --> 01:41:11,040
now is in very many of the

2339
01:41:17,030 --> 01:41:14,000
better circles it's just not done in

2340
01:41:20,149 --> 01:41:17,040
polite society well i reject that

2341
01:41:21,910 --> 01:41:20,159
after many years of looking at this both

2342
01:41:24,709 --> 01:41:21,920
in the principle and then

2343
01:41:26,470 --> 01:41:24,719
even more so uh with wolfgang smith in

2344
01:41:29,750 --> 01:41:26,480
the new film

2345
01:41:33,669 --> 01:41:29,760
i consider it to be much more than

2346
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merely possible that what we are really

2347
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seeing

2348
01:41:42,229 --> 01:41:39,119
in the cutting edge

2349
01:41:44,149 --> 01:41:42,239
developments of both cosmology and the

2350
01:41:47,669 --> 01:41:44,159
particle physics

2351
01:41:51,590 --> 01:41:47,679
is a clear sign that we have reached

2352
01:41:54,790 --> 01:41:51,600
a dead end that the enlightenment

2353
01:41:56,229 --> 01:41:54,800
scientific research program has reached

2354
01:42:00,310 --> 01:41:56,239
its reductio

2355
01:42:03,590 --> 01:42:00,320
ad absurdum that in order to maintain

2356
01:42:06,550 --> 01:42:03,600
their theories now we must

2357
01:42:08,030 --> 01:42:06,560
postulate wave our hands and bring into

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01:42:10,790 --> 01:42:08,040
existence

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01:42:11,669 --> 01:42:10,800
95.9 of the mass energy budget of the

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universe

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01:42:18,229 --> 01:42:15,440
we must postulate a world that splits

2362
01:42:20,470 --> 01:42:18,239
off into as many copies of itself

2363
01:42:21,910 --> 01:42:20,480
as there were possible values to a

2364
01:42:24,950 --> 01:42:21,920
quantum measurement

2365
01:42:27,590 --> 01:42:24,960
trillions upon octillions upon

2366
01:42:30,709 --> 01:42:27,600
google plex millions of worlds every

2367
01:42:33,350 --> 01:42:30,719
time we blink our eyes

2368
01:42:34,709 --> 01:42:33,360
i hope you will forgive me if i am less

2369
01:42:37,830 --> 01:42:34,719
than persuaded

2370
01:42:40,709 --> 01:42:37,840
by these appeals how is syria

2371
01:42:42,709 --> 01:42:40,719
yes and and this is the point that i

2372
01:42:43,430 --> 01:42:42,719
keep trying to drive home not only with

2373
01:42:46,709 --> 01:42:43,440
myself

2374
01:42:50,229 --> 01:42:46,719
but with our audience who is very smart

2375
01:42:54,070 --> 01:42:50,239
is that the very smugness

2376
01:42:57,750 --> 01:42:54,080
that we get when these types of

2377
01:43:01,109 --> 01:42:57,760
questions are raised i find offensive

2378
01:43:04,709 --> 01:43:01,119
but yet they are indicative of a great

2379
01:43:06,950 --> 01:43:04,719
deal of circle the wagons from telling

2380
01:43:09,669 --> 01:43:06,960
you i've seen it before

2381
01:43:09,990 --> 01:43:09,679
when you look at the galileo trial when

2382
01:43:16,550 --> 01:43:10,000
you look

2383
01:43:18,709 --> 01:43:16,560
general attitude that was taken in the

2384
01:43:21,830 --> 01:43:18,719
face of these things

2385
01:43:25,350 --> 01:43:21,840
you you sense that at a certain point

2386
01:43:26,709 --> 01:43:25,360
power naturally begins to circle the

2387
01:43:30,310 --> 01:43:26,719
wagons

2388
01:43:33,990 --> 01:43:30,320
and rather than maintain a commitment to

2389
01:43:36,629 --> 01:43:34,000
truth and search for it they maintain

2390
01:43:37,750 --> 01:43:36,639
a commitment to the protection and

2391
01:43:41,350 --> 01:43:37,760
perpetuation

2392
01:43:42,149 --> 01:43:41,360
of a status quo that keeps the rice

2393
01:43:45,510 --> 01:43:42,159
bowls

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01:43:48,070 --> 01:43:45,520
filled and i'm sorry to say uh

2395
01:43:48,629 --> 01:43:48,080
i'm not all that surprised but i think

2396
01:43:52,070 --> 01:43:48,639
we are

2397
01:43:55,990 --> 01:43:52,080
well into the circle the wagons phase

2398
01:43:59,189 --> 01:43:56,000
in terms of the world story that has uh

2399
01:44:02,790 --> 01:43:59,199
sort of become the de facto

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01:44:03,990 --> 01:44:02,800
uh belief of of of the vast majority of

2401
01:44:05,990 --> 01:44:04,000
humanity

2402
01:44:07,109 --> 01:44:06,000
their theories are failing their their

2403
01:44:09,910 --> 01:44:07,119
theories are

2404
01:44:11,590 --> 01:44:09,920
regularly now being patched up

2405
01:44:13,109 --> 01:44:11,600
frantically

2406
01:44:15,830 --> 01:44:13,119
almost every time there's a new

2407
01:44:19,189 --> 01:44:15,840
observation now there's a new theory

2408
01:44:22,470 --> 01:44:19,199
um you mentioned in 1998 when the

2409
01:44:26,390 --> 01:44:22,480
the nobel prize was given uh

2410
01:44:28,629 --> 01:44:26,400
to um martin reece uh

2411
01:44:29,830 --> 01:44:28,639
at cambridge and his associates for

2412
01:44:33,629 --> 01:44:29,840
discovering

2413
01:44:37,510 --> 01:44:33,639
what was at the time termed the

2414
01:44:40,390 --> 01:44:37,520
accelerating expansion of the universe

2415
01:44:41,189 --> 01:44:40,400
well this is running into just

2416
01:44:44,709 --> 01:44:41,199
absolutely

2417
01:44:46,310 --> 01:44:44,719
drastic problems now what you're talking

2418
01:44:47,590 --> 01:44:46,320
about when you talk about the expansion

2419
01:44:48,149 --> 01:44:47,600
of the universe is something called the

2420
01:44:52,390 --> 01:44:48,159
hubble

2421
01:44:56,070 --> 01:44:52,400
constant and this is a number

2422
01:44:59,830 --> 01:44:56,080
that allows us to calculate

2423
01:45:03,350 --> 01:44:59,840
the rate of expansion of the universe

2424
01:45:06,790 --> 01:45:03,360
and what reason his fellow uh thinkers

2425
01:45:08,390 --> 01:45:06,800
did was they measured the what they call

2426
01:45:11,270 --> 01:45:08,400
the standard candles

2427
01:45:12,550 --> 01:45:11,280
the type one supernova the type 1a

2428
01:45:14,830 --> 01:45:12,560
supernova

2429
01:45:15,990 --> 01:45:14,840
and they determined from these

2430
01:45:18,950 --> 01:45:16,000
observations

2431
01:45:20,550 --> 01:45:18,960
that not only was the universe expanding

2432
01:45:22,229 --> 01:45:20,560
which had been accepted back when hubble

2433
01:45:25,669 --> 01:45:22,239
and einstein sat down

2434
01:45:28,870 --> 01:45:25,679
up on top of mount wilson but

2435
01:45:31,030 --> 01:45:28,880
completely shockingly it's

2436
01:45:32,310 --> 01:45:31,040
it's accelerating in its expansion

2437
01:45:36,310 --> 01:45:32,320
that's a real problem

2438
01:45:39,510 --> 01:45:36,320
you see gravity should be slowing down

2439
01:45:40,629 --> 01:45:39,520
that expansion there is no force that we

2440
01:45:44,390 --> 01:45:40,639
can even

2441
01:45:46,149 --> 01:45:44,400
suspect it would cause it to speed up

2442
01:45:48,149 --> 01:45:46,159
there this would be by far the most

2443
01:45:48,790 --> 01:45:48,159
powerful force in the universe and we

2444
01:45:51,990 --> 01:45:48,800
have never

2445
01:45:53,189 --> 01:45:52,000
been able to detect it at all we can

2446
01:45:56,390 --> 01:45:53,199
only infer

2447
01:45:58,149 --> 01:45:56,400
it from the fact that these observations

2448
01:46:01,189 --> 01:45:58,159
of the standard candles

2449
01:46:02,070 --> 01:46:01,199
seemed to imply an accelerating

2450
01:46:04,470 --> 01:46:02,080
expansion

2451
01:46:06,629 --> 01:46:04,480
well ever since that observation was

2452
01:46:07,750 --> 01:46:06,639
made more and more problems were started

2453
01:46:10,790 --> 01:46:07,760
prop up

2454
01:46:12,709 --> 01:46:10,800
there are two different schools that

2455
01:46:14,390 --> 01:46:12,719
measure this humble constant based on

2456
01:46:17,030 --> 01:46:14,400
two different methods

2457
01:46:18,149 --> 01:46:17,040
their answers are drastically at odds

2458
01:46:21,030 --> 01:46:18,159
with one another

2459
01:46:23,109 --> 01:46:21,040
they are both absolutely rigorous

2460
01:46:24,149 --> 01:46:23,119
perfectly scientifically valid in their

2461
01:46:27,189 --> 01:46:24,159
approaches

2462
01:46:28,870 --> 01:46:27,199
and they yield absolutely contradictory

2463
01:46:32,310 --> 01:46:28,880
values for the hubble constant

2464
01:46:34,310 --> 01:46:32,320
this is such a big deal that if you get

2465
01:46:36,229 --> 01:46:34,320
these guys to loosen their ties a little

2466
01:46:39,669 --> 01:46:36,239
bit they will tell you

2467
01:46:41,510 --> 01:46:39,679
we really do not have a standard model

2468
01:46:45,430 --> 01:46:41,520
of cosmology anymore

2469
01:46:47,750 --> 01:46:45,440
the data simply do not fit

2470
01:46:49,270 --> 01:46:47,760
the story that we have told now this is

2471
01:46:51,750 --> 01:46:49,280
a big problem

2472
01:46:54,470 --> 01:46:51,760
because when you have science elevated

2473
01:46:55,750 --> 01:46:54,480
to the level of authority and prestige

2474
01:46:58,950 --> 01:46:55,760
which it has

2475
01:47:02,470 --> 01:46:58,960
arguably very validly obtained

2476
01:47:04,470 --> 01:47:02,480
it doesn't do at all to let

2477
01:47:06,870 --> 01:47:04,480
the average person out there in the

2478
01:47:07,990 --> 01:47:06,880
street start to suspect that the whole

2479
01:47:11,189 --> 01:47:08,000
darned edifice

2480
01:47:12,629 --> 01:47:11,199
has begun to collapse nevertheless jimmy

2481
01:47:14,950 --> 01:47:12,639
i can tell you

2482
01:47:16,390 --> 01:47:14,960
the whole darned edifice has begun to

2483
01:47:20,830 --> 01:47:16,400
collapse

2484
01:47:25,030 --> 01:47:20,840
this is requiring of us at this point

2485
01:47:28,709 --> 01:47:25,040
a tremendous growth

2486
01:47:31,430 --> 01:47:28,719
in our ability to separate

2487
01:47:33,189 --> 01:47:31,440
out what is actually scientifically

2488
01:47:35,590 --> 01:47:33,199
provable

2489
01:47:37,590 --> 01:47:35,600
from that which is simply wrapped up in

2490
01:47:39,830 --> 01:47:37,600
the label of science

2491
01:47:40,950 --> 01:47:39,840
and put on the store shelves next to

2492
01:47:43,030 --> 01:47:40,960
science

2493
01:47:45,510 --> 01:47:43,040
but which is nothing other than

2494
01:47:48,310 --> 01:47:45,520
metaphysical speculation

2495
01:47:50,629 --> 01:47:48,320
and i can tell you for sure the vast

2496
01:47:51,750 --> 01:47:50,639
majority of the world story we tell

2497
01:47:54,950 --> 01:47:51,760
ourselves

2498
01:47:56,470 --> 01:47:54,960
is not science it is metaphysical

2499
01:47:59,910 --> 01:47:56,480
speculation

2500
01:48:02,390 --> 01:47:59,920
based upon the assumption that our

2501
01:48:04,709 --> 01:48:02,400
fundamental theories are correct

2502
01:48:06,629 --> 01:48:04,719
even though our observations are

2503
01:48:07,270 --> 01:48:06,639
continually throwing that into the

2504
01:48:10,950 --> 01:48:07,280
gravest

2505
01:48:13,430 --> 01:48:10,960
doubt and and i think the the point

2506
01:48:15,270 --> 01:48:13,440
that everybody should understand and

2507
01:48:16,709 --> 01:48:15,280
we've gotten away from it rick and i

2508
01:48:20,070 --> 01:48:16,719
don't know why

2509
01:48:22,870 --> 01:48:20,080
but you you bring it up that science

2510
01:48:23,669 --> 01:48:22,880
is nothing more than a series of

2511
01:48:26,790 --> 01:48:23,679
corrections

2512
01:48:30,070 --> 01:48:26,800
that's all it is right right copernicus

2513
01:48:33,030 --> 01:48:30,080
galileo bruno einstein

2514
01:48:33,750 --> 01:48:33,040
einstein's been corrected many times

2515
01:48:35,510 --> 01:48:33,760
newton

2516
01:48:39,030 --> 01:48:35,520
you know this is the most important

2517
01:48:41,990 --> 01:48:39,040
point jimmy i'm so glad you said this

2518
01:48:43,189 --> 01:48:42,000
there is something very special

2519
01:48:46,070 --> 01:48:43,199
beautiful and

2520
01:48:46,629 --> 01:48:46,080
powerful about the scientific method

2521
01:48:50,149 --> 01:48:46,639
that is

2522
01:48:50,709 --> 01:48:50,159
absolutely unique to the scientific

2523
01:48:53,030 --> 01:48:50,719
method

2524
01:48:54,149 --> 01:48:53,040
it's why science has had such a

2525
01:48:57,430 --> 01:48:54,159
magnificent

2526
01:49:00,390 --> 01:48:57,440
run over the last three centuries

2527
01:49:01,669 --> 01:49:00,400
science is self-correcting at least it's

2528
01:49:04,870 --> 01:49:01,679
supposed to be

2529
01:49:08,550 --> 01:49:04,880
how is it self-correcting in exactly

2530
01:49:10,310 --> 01:49:08,560
this way jimmy if you publish a paper

2531
01:49:13,430 --> 01:49:10,320
tomorrow

2532
01:49:17,350 --> 01:49:13,440
that makes a profound

2533
01:49:18,149 --> 01:49:17,360
new hypothesis about how we can resolve

2534
01:49:30,550 --> 01:49:18,159
the

2535
01:49:32,950 --> 01:49:30,560
to experimental cast

2536
01:49:33,830 --> 01:49:32,960
it doesn't matter how beautiful the math

2537
01:49:36,070 --> 01:49:33,840
is

2538
01:49:37,510 --> 01:49:36,080
it doesn't matter how many phds have

2539
01:49:39,510 --> 01:49:37,520
praised it

2540
01:49:40,790 --> 01:49:39,520
doesn't matter how many votes it gets in

2541
01:49:42,390 --> 01:49:40,800
an internet poll

2542
01:49:44,310 --> 01:49:42,400
it doesn't matter how many copies it

2543
01:49:45,270 --> 01:49:44,320
sold on the new york times bestseller

2544
01:49:48,390 --> 01:49:45,280
list

2545
01:49:51,589 --> 01:49:48,400
none of that matters

2546
01:49:53,870 --> 01:49:51,599
at all what matters

2547
01:49:55,109 --> 01:49:53,880
is what happened when you tested it

2548
01:49:58,229 --> 01:49:55,119
experimentally

2549
01:49:59,750 --> 01:49:58,239
that's the only vote that counts or that

2550
01:50:02,790 --> 01:49:59,760
is supposed to count

2551
01:50:05,750 --> 01:50:02,800
in science as long as science

2552
01:50:06,550 --> 01:50:05,760
allowed itself to be guided by that

2553
01:50:09,589 --> 01:50:06,560
beautiful

2554
01:50:11,669 --> 01:50:09,599
and terrible principle

2555
01:50:13,030 --> 01:50:11,679
imagine all the beautiful ideas that

2556
01:50:16,070 --> 01:50:13,040
died along the way

2557
01:50:16,629 --> 01:50:16,080
that's right that's right and and and

2558
01:50:21,030 --> 01:50:16,639
today

2559
01:50:23,510 --> 01:50:21,040
and i hear it over and over again when

2560
01:50:25,109 --> 01:50:23,520
uh how many times have we heard about

2561
01:50:26,229 --> 01:50:25,119
multi-world's parallel worlds the

2562
01:50:27,990 --> 01:50:26,239
multiverse

2563
01:50:30,070 --> 01:50:28,000
right how am i supposed to test that

2564
01:50:31,830 --> 01:50:30,080
right

2565
01:50:33,669 --> 01:50:31,840
and then and they say well you know

2566
01:50:36,790 --> 01:50:33,679
measurement is the issue uh

2567
01:50:42,870 --> 01:50:36,800
well uh okay wait a minute here you want

2568
01:50:46,709 --> 01:50:45,910
when science departs now i want to

2569
01:50:53,430 --> 01:50:46,719
believe

2570
01:50:53,990 --> 01:50:53,440
i have faith these guys have a very good

2571
01:50:56,070 --> 01:50:54,000
argument

2572
01:50:57,589 --> 01:50:56,080
how can you test this you can't you have

2573
01:51:00,310 --> 01:50:57,599
to trust the mathematics

2574
01:51:02,550 --> 01:51:00,320
right right the mathematics is giving us

2575
01:51:03,669 --> 01:51:02,560
the answer and even if we can't test it

2576
01:51:06,390 --> 01:51:03,679
experimentally

2577
01:51:08,550 --> 01:51:06,400
the math has been so good for so long

2578
01:51:09,350 --> 01:51:08,560
and look at how beautiful this equation

2579
01:51:12,550 --> 01:51:09,360
is

2580
01:51:15,189 --> 01:51:12,560
it's too good not to be true

2581
01:51:16,390 --> 01:51:15,199
and i'm telling you this is the end of

2582
01:51:18,709 --> 01:51:16,400
the line

2583
01:51:19,430 --> 01:51:18,719
for the authentic scientific method i

2584
01:51:22,470 --> 01:51:19,440
don't care

2585
01:51:25,750 --> 01:51:22,480
how good your justification is if you

2586
01:51:28,870 --> 01:51:25,760
propose as a solution to an

2587
01:51:32,709 --> 01:51:28,880
observed problem something which

2588
01:51:34,629 --> 01:51:32,719
cannot even in principle be subjected to

2589
01:51:38,390 --> 01:51:34,639
a crucial experimental test

2590
01:51:40,629 --> 01:51:38,400
you are no longer doing science

2591
01:51:43,350 --> 01:51:40,639
stop calling it science call it

2592
01:51:45,510 --> 01:51:43,360
scientifically based metaphysics

2593
01:51:47,750 --> 01:51:45,520
but stop wrapping it up in the label

2594
01:51:50,550 --> 01:51:47,760
science and putting it up on the shelf

2595
01:51:53,589 --> 01:51:50,560
next to newton's gravitational laws

2596
01:51:58,629 --> 01:51:53,599
they are not the same thing

2597
01:52:03,830 --> 01:51:58,639
and this is the big issue here

2598
01:52:07,910 --> 01:52:03,840
science authentic science real science

2599
01:52:09,830 --> 01:52:07,920
has gone far beyond

2600
01:52:11,510 --> 01:52:09,840
experimental crucial tests for a long

2601
01:52:13,910 --> 01:52:11,520
time now

2602
01:52:15,589 --> 01:52:13,920
you hear about uh string theory for

2603
01:52:16,950 --> 01:52:15,599
example i was going to bring that up

2604
01:52:19,030 --> 01:52:16,960
yeah okay well done

2605
01:52:21,350 --> 01:52:19,040
well done i'm not a mathematician

2606
01:52:23,510 --> 01:52:21,360
wolfgang is a doctor of mathematics

2607
01:52:24,550 --> 01:52:23,520
and i don't understand the first bloody

2608
01:52:26,950 --> 01:52:24,560
thing

2609
01:52:29,030 --> 01:52:26,960
about these equations of string theory i

2610
01:52:31,830 --> 01:52:29,040
am told by people who do

2611
01:52:33,109 --> 01:52:31,840
that they are almost astonishing in

2612
01:52:36,070 --> 01:52:33,119
their beauty

2613
01:52:36,790 --> 01:52:36,080
that these equations are so profoundly

2614
01:52:40,310 --> 01:52:36,800
beautiful

2615
01:52:42,950 --> 01:52:40,320
elegant and employ the same

2616
01:52:44,070 --> 01:52:42,960
types of insights that have given us so

2617
01:52:47,109 --> 01:52:44,080
many breakthroughs

2618
01:52:50,709 --> 01:52:47,119
in the past that ultimately

2619
01:52:53,990 --> 01:52:50,719
the argument is this is too good

2620
01:52:57,189 --> 01:52:54,000
not to be true it has to be true

2621
01:53:00,390 --> 01:52:57,199
because there's no other way

2622
01:53:03,109 --> 01:53:00,400
there's no competing approach

2623
01:53:04,070 --> 01:53:03,119
that could yield such elegance such

2624
01:53:07,589 --> 01:53:04,080
symmetry

2625
01:53:10,470 --> 01:53:07,599
such power in our mathematics

2626
01:53:12,310 --> 01:53:10,480
and you know what wolfgang told me a

2627
01:53:15,430 --> 01:53:12,320
long time ago he said that

2628
01:53:18,790 --> 01:53:15,440
is death the minute that you

2629
01:53:20,790 --> 01:53:18,800
say that your equation is so good

2630
01:53:22,870 --> 01:53:20,800
that it doesn't have to pass

2631
01:53:25,189 --> 01:53:22,880
experimental test

2632
01:53:26,870 --> 01:53:25,199
you have departed from the authentic

2633
01:53:30,870 --> 01:53:26,880
scientific method

2634
01:53:33,910 --> 01:53:30,880
you are now engaged in constructing

2635
01:53:36,870 --> 01:53:33,920
a metaphysical story

2636
01:53:39,189 --> 01:53:36,880
you are not engaged in constructing a

2637
01:53:41,189 --> 01:53:39,199
testable scientific theory

2638
01:53:42,870 --> 01:53:41,199
and of course with the multiverse that's

2639
01:53:45,030 --> 01:53:42,880
exactly what we have

2640
01:53:47,189 --> 01:53:45,040
why do they believe in the multiverse

2641
01:53:49,910 --> 01:53:47,199
because it's the only way

2642
01:53:52,229 --> 01:53:49,920
that they can even approximately account

2643
01:53:53,270 --> 01:53:52,239
for the one universe we do observe

2644
01:53:54,790 --> 01:53:53,280
that's right there have to be an

2645
01:53:56,790 --> 01:53:54,800
infinity of other ones because this

2646
01:53:59,830 --> 01:53:56,800
one's too unlikely

2647
01:54:03,350 --> 01:53:59,840
this one is just too finely tuned

2648
01:54:05,830 --> 01:54:03,360
this one is just too precise and perfect

2649
01:54:09,189 --> 01:54:05,840
to have been anything other than the one

2650
01:54:11,910 --> 01:54:09,199
lucky lottery ticket in a whole

2651
01:54:12,790 --> 01:54:11,920
quintillion of other unlucky lottery

2652
01:54:15,910 --> 01:54:12,800
tickets

2653
01:54:19,270 --> 01:54:15,920
well what evidence do we have of that

2654
01:54:21,990 --> 01:54:19,280
none right what so ever

2655
01:54:22,950 --> 01:54:22,000
well what evidence could there ever be

2656
01:54:26,149 --> 01:54:22,960
of that

2657
01:54:27,350 --> 01:54:26,159
none whatsoever how can you experiment

2658
01:54:29,750 --> 01:54:27,360
upon a universe

2659
01:54:32,790 --> 01:54:29,760
that is causally disconnected from this

2660
01:54:36,470 --> 01:54:32,800
one what observation can you possibly

2661
01:54:39,189 --> 01:54:36,480
do you can't do one even in principle

2662
01:54:40,229 --> 01:54:39,199
so we are now engaged at the moment of

2663
01:54:42,709 --> 01:54:40,239
truth

2664
01:54:43,350 --> 01:54:42,719
where either we sail through the looking

2665
01:54:45,109 --> 01:54:43,360
gas

2666
01:54:47,669 --> 01:54:45,119
into the never-never land of the

2667
01:54:51,270 --> 01:54:47,679
multiverse and many worlds

2668
01:54:56,149 --> 01:54:51,280
or we stop and we say

2669
01:55:00,070 --> 01:54:58,550
then there has to be a mistake somewhere

2670
01:55:03,189 --> 01:55:00,080
back along the line

2671
01:55:03,589 --> 01:55:03,199
we have to have made a mistake because

2672
01:55:06,070 --> 01:55:03,599
by

2673
01:55:07,750 --> 01:55:06,080
following the theories that we thought

2674
01:55:10,870 --> 01:55:07,760
were true

2675
01:55:14,390 --> 01:55:10,880
we have arrived at a reductio

2676
01:55:17,430 --> 01:55:14,400
ad absurdum that can never be tested

2677
01:55:20,709 --> 01:55:17,440
we literally are reduced in a very real

2678
01:55:21,910 --> 01:55:20,719
sense to arguing for the next few

2679
01:55:24,229 --> 01:55:21,920
hundred years

2680
01:55:24,950 --> 01:55:24,239
how many angels can dance on the head of

2681
01:55:26,550 --> 01:55:24,960
the pin

2682
01:55:28,709 --> 01:55:26,560
except this time it's how many

2683
01:55:29,589 --> 01:55:28,719
multiverses does our math tell us there

2684
01:55:31,589 --> 01:55:29,599
must be

2685
01:55:32,870 --> 01:55:31,599
even though we can never observe or test

2686
01:55:35,669 --> 01:55:32,880
any single one of them

2687
01:55:36,550 --> 01:55:35,679
it's a profound moment in history there

2688
01:55:38,070 --> 01:55:36,560
is um

2689
01:55:39,910 --> 01:55:38,080
uh we've got about five minutes i'm

2690
01:55:41,030 --> 01:55:39,920
going to stay on string theory for just

2691
01:55:43,350 --> 01:55:41,040
a second

2692
01:55:45,270 --> 01:55:43,360
because i keep going back to faith right

2693
01:55:48,070 --> 01:55:45,280
i'm not talking about religion

2694
01:55:48,629 --> 01:55:48,080
but physicists are asking us to have

2695
01:55:50,629 --> 01:55:48,639
faith

2696
01:55:52,229 --> 01:55:50,639
in what they are saying and when it

2697
01:55:55,030 --> 01:55:52,239
comes to it's their best argument

2698
01:55:55,589 --> 01:55:55,040
yeah that's right and so with with with

2699
01:55:57,990 --> 01:55:55,599
brian

2700
01:55:59,030 --> 01:55:58,000
greene leading the charge on string

2701
01:56:01,109 --> 01:55:59,040
theory

2702
01:56:03,109 --> 01:56:01,119
this is where the faith for me pushes a

2703
01:56:06,149 --> 01:56:03,119
bit too far in that

2704
01:56:08,390 --> 01:56:06,159
uh the closer you go down and and this

2705
01:56:10,390 --> 01:56:08,400
the vibrating strings are the basis of

2706
01:56:11,589 --> 01:56:10,400
everything and inside of that once we go

2707
01:56:15,350 --> 01:56:11,599
a little bit further

2708
01:56:17,830 --> 01:56:15,360
we have found 11 uh parallel

2709
01:56:19,750 --> 01:56:17,840
uh dimensions that are there now we we

2710
01:56:20,149 --> 01:56:19,760
know about space and time we know up and

2711
01:56:22,149 --> 01:56:20,159
down

2712
01:56:23,830 --> 01:56:22,159
and depth and you know three and then

2713
01:56:27,510 --> 01:56:23,840
four space time

2714
01:56:29,189 --> 01:56:27,520
okay but we need to extend that and

2715
01:56:30,629 --> 01:56:29,199
and i have to stop and go well wait a

2716
01:56:32,790 --> 01:56:30,639
minute how

2717
01:56:34,229 --> 01:56:32,800
how big are these dimensions and what

2718
01:56:36,149 --> 01:56:34,239
exists there

2719
01:56:37,510 --> 01:56:36,159
and and well you know you have to

2720
01:56:40,709 --> 01:56:37,520
understand that they're very

2721
01:56:43,589 --> 01:56:40,719
narrow but the math says that they

2722
01:56:44,470 --> 01:56:43,599
are there the math says that's that's

2723
01:56:47,189 --> 01:56:44,480
the key right there

2724
01:56:49,270 --> 01:56:47,199
that's it i appreciate i i appreciate

2725
01:56:49,750 --> 01:56:49,280
you know when i when i listen to brian

2726
01:56:53,669 --> 01:56:49,760
and to

2727
01:56:57,350 --> 01:56:53,679
uh to others there's almost a poignant

2728
01:56:59,830 --> 01:56:57,360
tone it has to be right

2729
01:57:00,950 --> 01:56:59,840
because otherwise the whole edifice is

2730
01:57:02,629 --> 01:57:00,960
going to collapse

2731
01:57:04,310 --> 01:57:02,639
and you're right about that you know

2732
01:57:06,070 --> 01:57:04,320
yeah absolutely right and i'm not

2733
01:57:08,070 --> 01:57:06,080
slamming on brian

2734
01:57:09,990 --> 01:57:08,080
i'm not the problem is this jimmy here's

2735
01:57:13,750 --> 01:57:10,000
the problem

2736
01:57:17,750 --> 01:57:13,760
if your math requires me

2737
01:57:20,790 --> 01:57:17,760
to believe that something exists

2738
01:57:21,990 --> 01:57:20,800
despite the fact that there is not the

2739
01:57:26,149 --> 01:57:22,000
slightest

2740
01:57:28,470 --> 01:57:26,159
actual evidence no for it

2741
01:57:31,750 --> 01:57:28,480
apart from the fact that your math

2742
01:57:35,669 --> 01:57:31,760
requires it to be there

2743
01:57:38,709 --> 01:57:35,679
you are no longer proposing science

2744
01:57:42,790 --> 01:57:38,719
to me you are proposing a

2745
01:57:44,790 --> 01:57:42,800
metaphysical mathematical story

2746
01:57:47,669 --> 01:57:44,800
all of these extra dimensions are just

2747
01:57:51,270 --> 01:57:47,679
exactly like dark matter and dark energy

2748
01:57:54,470 --> 01:57:51,280
we talk about them as if they exist

2749
01:57:59,430 --> 01:57:54,480
they do not exist anywhere so far

2750
01:58:02,790 --> 01:58:01,510
that's right to make the math come out

2751
01:58:04,709 --> 01:58:02,800
right that's right

2752
01:58:05,990 --> 01:58:04,719
what if the theory is wrong and we're

2753
01:58:09,030 --> 01:58:06,000
just adding in

2754
01:58:13,270 --> 01:58:09,040
all of these dimensions and matter

2755
01:58:16,070 --> 01:58:13,280
and energy to save the appearances

2756
01:58:17,990 --> 01:58:16,080
of the theory you can do that forever

2757
01:58:18,790 --> 01:58:18,000
you can always have more angels dance on

2758
01:58:22,470 --> 01:58:18,800
the head of the pin

2759
01:58:25,750 --> 01:58:22,480
there's no limit the problem is

2760
01:58:28,830 --> 01:58:25,760
you are now departing the

2761
01:58:30,310 --> 01:58:28,840
key of true science which is

2762
01:58:34,310 --> 01:58:30,320
experimental

2763
01:58:38,470 --> 01:58:34,320
test and possible falsification

2764
01:58:44,550 --> 01:58:42,070
yeah when we uh i can i can deal with

2765
01:58:47,109 --> 01:58:44,560
photons i can deal with protons right

2766
01:58:48,790 --> 01:58:47,119
i can deal with quarks i can deal with

2767
01:58:51,270 --> 01:58:48,800
strong and weak gravity

2768
01:58:53,270 --> 01:58:51,280
i can deal with all of these things but

2769
01:58:55,750 --> 01:58:53,280
when we get into

2770
01:58:56,709 --> 01:58:55,760
vibrating strings and an extra seven

2771
01:58:59,910 --> 01:58:56,719
dimensions

2772
01:59:03,430 --> 01:58:59,920
that we can't see or measure they are

2773
01:59:06,470 --> 01:59:03,440
only in the math to make the math work

2774
01:59:09,510 --> 01:59:06,480
that's where it's a leap of faith

2775
01:59:13,350 --> 01:59:09,520
it is indeed a leap of faith and

2776
01:59:18,070 --> 01:59:13,360
i would go even further i would argue

2777
01:59:21,990 --> 01:59:18,080
that the leap of faith required

2778
01:59:25,510 --> 01:59:22,000
is all together too much

2779
01:59:27,589 --> 01:59:25,520
that despite all of the triumphs

2780
01:59:29,510 --> 01:59:27,599
of the enlightenment scientific

2781
01:59:32,709 --> 01:59:29,520
enterprise and they are magnificent

2782
01:59:36,629 --> 01:59:32,719
believe me they are none

2783
01:59:40,470 --> 01:59:36,639
of those triumphs compels us to accept

2784
01:59:42,470 --> 01:59:40,480
the slightest bit of what we are being

2785
01:59:45,750 --> 01:59:42,480
told about many worlds

2786
01:59:46,790 --> 01:59:45,760
and multiverses and dark matter and dark

2787
01:59:50,229 --> 01:59:46,800
energy

2788
01:59:54,229 --> 01:59:50,239
all of these things are in fact

2789
01:59:57,990 --> 01:59:54,239
patches ad hoc x post facto

2790
02:00:01,589 --> 01:59:58,000
patches added to the existing

2791
02:00:04,709 --> 02:00:01,599
theoretical structure to prevent

2792
02:00:07,109 --> 02:00:04,719
those structures from collapsing

2793
02:00:09,669 --> 02:00:07,119
in the case of contrary evidence that's

2794
02:00:11,270 --> 02:00:09,679
right it's temporary

2795
02:00:13,189 --> 02:00:11,280
yeah it's temporary let's take our break

2796
02:00:14,629 --> 02:00:13,199
right here what a great conversation

2797
02:00:16,790 --> 02:00:14,639
tonight

2798
02:00:18,470 --> 02:00:16,800
what a great conversation rick delano

2799
02:00:20,629 --> 02:00:18,480
we're talking about the new film

2800
02:00:21,910 --> 02:00:20,639
the end of quantum reality when we come

2801
02:00:25,350 --> 02:00:21,920
back the c

2802
02:00:27,430 --> 02:00:25,360
word consciousness we'll get to all of

2803
02:00:28,060 --> 02:00:27,440
that right after this short break stay

2804
02:00:32,470 --> 02:00:28,070
with us

2805
02:00:42,629 --> 02:00:40,149
hi everybody this is dot com

2806
02:00:43,669 --> 02:00:42,639
this is kgra digital broadcasting

2807
02:00:47,350 --> 02:00:43,679
station

2808
02:00:49,109 --> 02:00:47,360
salt lake city utah van buren arkansas

2809
02:00:51,270 --> 02:00:49,119
why is it we're not very good with our

2810
02:00:53,030 --> 02:00:51,280
health regiment until it's too late we

2811
02:00:54,870 --> 02:00:53,040
don't put oil in the car until the

2812
02:00:55,589 --> 02:00:54,880
engine blows up when the body's out of

2813
02:00:57,750 --> 02:00:55,599
balance

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from hoffman's optics this is the same

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us military system that i use featuring

2856
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a generation 3 blue

2857
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phosphor image tube that's right it's

2858
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blue

2859
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not black and green this is the only

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2861
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and it's waterproof lightweight combat

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2873
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this is paid to black make contact

2874
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when you're in the house for longer

2875
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periods of time

2876
02:03:33,030 --> 02:03:31,199
you can see them flying or running

2877
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across the floor

2878
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ooh yuck they're unhealthy gross and

2879
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2880
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bugs i loathe bugs we keep a clean home

2881
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but occasionally bugs show up well i

2882
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found something that is

2883
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roaches and fleas plus orange guard

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ingredients of orange guard are on the

2889
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2890
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2891
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2912
02:05:07,830 --> 02:05:04,000
you wanna know a secret i love

2913
02:05:10,069 --> 02:05:07,840
police i really love ponies i'm serious

2914
02:05:11,430 --> 02:05:10,079
i couldn't stay sane without pawn mr

2915
02:05:14,629 --> 02:05:11,440
brush

2916
02:05:19,990 --> 02:05:14,639
why fade to black because you never got

2917
02:05:22,149 --> 02:05:20,000
that pony

2918
02:05:24,470 --> 02:05:22,159
this is fade to black with jimmy church

2919
02:05:40,550 --> 02:05:24,480
on the game changer radio network

2920
02:05:44,870 --> 02:05:42,709
welcome back fade to black i'm watching

2921
02:05:47,270 --> 02:05:44,880
twitter tonight

2922
02:05:48,950 --> 02:05:47,280
our guest rick delano we're talking

2923
02:05:51,350 --> 02:05:48,960
about his new film it's called the end

2924
02:05:52,390 --> 02:05:51,360
of quantum reality extraordinary piece

2925
02:05:55,430 --> 02:05:52,400
of work

2926
02:05:56,229 --> 02:05:55,440
and i just highly recommend it and you

2927
02:05:58,950 --> 02:05:56,239
know when i

2928
02:06:00,069 --> 02:05:58,960
say go that means go you've got to check

2929
02:06:03,350 --> 02:06:00,079
out the end of quantum

2930
02:06:06,229 --> 02:06:03,360
reality but also i'm watching in

2931
02:06:09,830 --> 02:06:06,239
twitter uh rick it's all your fault we

2932
02:06:13,270 --> 02:06:11,589
nothing but cat videos tonight

2933
02:06:16,390 --> 02:06:13,280
everybody's got their version of

2934
02:06:18,709 --> 02:06:16,400
schrodinger's cat now um uh

2935
02:06:20,069 --> 02:06:18,719
here's the deal the c word right

2936
02:06:23,990 --> 02:06:20,079
consciousness

2937
02:06:27,990 --> 02:06:24,000
um and one of i

2938
02:06:31,109 --> 02:06:28,000
i i do this and i do this often

2939
02:06:33,030 --> 02:06:31,119
when i am watching uh

2940
02:06:34,709 --> 02:06:33,040
one of the rock stars you know get

2941
02:06:36,069 --> 02:06:34,719
interviewed and

2942
02:06:37,510 --> 02:06:36,079
and they're doing a presentation

2943
02:06:39,430 --> 02:06:37,520
whatever and and the question of

2944
02:06:43,270 --> 02:06:39,440
consciousness comes up

2945
02:06:46,550 --> 02:06:43,280
uh they squirm they get negative um

2946
02:06:49,350 --> 02:06:46,560
and they don't have an

2947
02:06:51,189 --> 02:06:49,360
answer and this is the thing and this is

2948
02:06:54,470 --> 02:06:51,199
my opinion

2949
02:06:55,430 --> 02:06:54,480
but they want us to accept parallel

2950
02:06:57,910 --> 02:06:55,440
worlds and

2951
02:06:59,030 --> 02:06:57,920
the multiverse and entanglement and

2952
02:07:02,629 --> 02:06:59,040
schrodinger's cat

2953
02:07:05,109 --> 02:07:02,639
and and a time travel

2954
02:07:06,470 --> 02:07:05,119
right they want us to understand all of

2955
02:07:08,709 --> 02:07:06,480
this because of the

2956
02:07:09,990 --> 02:07:08,719
equations and the way they uh present

2957
02:07:12,470 --> 02:07:10,000
themselves

2958
02:07:13,430 --> 02:07:12,480
but the biggest question of all

2959
02:07:16,870 --> 02:07:13,440
consciousness

2960
02:07:19,350 --> 02:07:16,880
which gives them the ability to drone

2961
02:07:20,870 --> 02:07:19,360
on and on which i appreciate and i

2962
02:07:21,910 --> 02:07:20,880
appreciate the science and i love the

2963
02:07:25,589 --> 02:07:21,920
science

2964
02:07:28,950 --> 02:07:25,599
but you can't dismiss one and have us

2965
02:07:30,310 --> 02:07:28,960
accept the other science fiction and i

2966
02:07:33,350 --> 02:07:30,320
find that completely

2967
02:07:36,229 --> 02:07:33,360
offensive um thank goodness for

2968
02:07:37,350 --> 02:07:36,239
dr wolfgang smith right where he's

2969
02:07:40,870 --> 02:07:37,360
willing to take this

2970
02:07:43,510 --> 02:07:40,880
head on and and the two communities

2971
02:07:46,310 --> 02:07:43,520
the spiritual one and the science one

2972
02:07:49,910 --> 02:07:46,320
are on their way to a train wreck

2973
02:07:54,069 --> 02:07:49,920
they are going to hit head on eventually

2974
02:07:55,750 --> 02:07:54,079
and we need science to now focus on this

2975
02:07:57,270 --> 02:07:55,760
but you're right you're exactly right

2976
02:08:00,310 --> 02:07:57,280
the train wreck is well

2977
02:08:03,589 --> 02:08:00,320
underway the train wreck comes

2978
02:08:07,350 --> 02:08:03,599
when the world story

2979
02:08:10,870 --> 02:08:07,360
no longer commands

2980
02:08:14,229 --> 02:08:10,880
enough acceptance

2981
02:08:16,709 --> 02:08:14,239
to qualify as the unifying principle of

2982
02:08:21,750 --> 02:08:16,719
our view of reality and we are

2983
02:08:24,149 --> 02:08:21,760
just at the beginning of that stage

2984
02:08:26,870 --> 02:08:24,159
where the present world story is falling

2985
02:08:31,270 --> 02:08:26,880
apart it no longer stands up to

2986
02:08:33,589 --> 02:08:31,280
its own standards of credibility

2987
02:08:36,709 --> 02:08:33,599
now the reason that wolfgang smith

2988
02:08:39,669 --> 02:08:36,719
stands head and shoulders

2989
02:08:41,910 --> 02:08:39,679
above every one of the physicists that i

2990
02:08:45,910 --> 02:08:41,920
interviewed for the principal

2991
02:08:49,350 --> 02:08:45,920
and why i am absolutely persuaded that

2992
02:08:52,470 --> 02:08:49,360
100 or 200 years downstream here

2993
02:08:56,629 --> 02:08:52,480
everyone will know wolfgang smith's name

2994
02:09:00,149 --> 02:08:56,639
and no one will know max chegmark's name

2995
02:09:03,350 --> 02:09:00,159
it's because wolftang smith

2996
02:09:07,589 --> 02:09:03,360
is the only guy i know in the world

2997
02:09:10,709 --> 02:09:07,599
who has world class credentials

2998
02:09:15,430 --> 02:09:10,719
in mathematics and physics

2999
02:09:19,910 --> 02:09:15,440
use them professionally for decades

3000
02:09:23,750 --> 02:09:19,920
and at the same time made contact

3001
02:09:26,470 --> 02:09:23,760
with this remarkable notion

3002
02:09:27,990 --> 02:09:26,480
that everyone who lived before newton

3003
02:09:32,069 --> 02:09:28,000
wasn't a complete

3004
02:09:35,910 --> 02:09:32,079
dummy that we have essentially

3005
02:09:37,589 --> 02:09:35,920
walked away from 5 000 years of human

3006
02:09:42,790 --> 02:09:37,599
wisdom

3007
02:09:47,270 --> 02:09:42,800
that was acquired at immense cost

3008
02:09:50,550 --> 02:09:47,280
by in geniuses millennia and centuries

3009
02:09:53,669 --> 02:09:50,560
before enlightenment science arose

3010
02:09:55,669 --> 02:09:53,679
in the world and wolfgang understood

3011
02:09:59,350 --> 02:09:55,679
very early in life that

3012
02:10:02,629 --> 02:09:59,360
science was not going to be able to

3013
02:10:07,189 --> 02:10:02,639
explain to us the totality

3014
02:10:11,109 --> 02:10:07,199
of this universe because science you see

3015
02:10:14,709 --> 02:10:11,119
is a magnificent tool for examining

3016
02:10:20,069 --> 02:10:14,719
that portion of the universe

3017
02:10:24,709 --> 02:10:20,079
that can be described quantitatively

3018
02:10:27,830 --> 02:10:24,719
science proceeds on the assumption

3019
02:10:29,510 --> 02:10:27,840
that the world ultimately reduces to

3020
02:10:32,149 --> 02:10:29,520
quantity

3021
02:10:33,350 --> 02:10:32,159
to that which can be expressed in a

3022
02:10:37,589 --> 02:10:33,360
mathematical

3023
02:10:39,750 --> 02:10:37,599
equation that is a gigantic assumption

3024
02:10:41,750 --> 02:10:39,760
it was quite useful to get science off

3025
02:10:44,149 --> 02:10:41,760
the launch pad

3026
02:10:45,030 --> 02:10:44,159
but what wolfgang understood very early

3027
02:10:48,510 --> 02:10:45,040
on

3028
02:10:51,430 --> 02:10:48,520
was that this is a completely

3029
02:10:55,510 --> 02:10:51,440
ridiculous notion

3030
02:10:59,189 --> 02:10:55,520
the world in fact does not reduce

3031
02:11:01,910 --> 02:10:59,199
to quantity as a matter of fact the vast

3032
02:11:03,270 --> 02:11:01,920
majority of the world that matters to us

3033
02:11:07,510 --> 02:11:03,280
as human beings

3034
02:11:09,350 --> 02:11:07,520
can't be expressed quantitatively at all

3035
02:11:11,430 --> 02:11:09,360
there are people listening to my voice

3036
02:11:15,109 --> 02:11:11,440
who love their wives

3037
02:11:16,870 --> 02:11:15,119
and children and husbands there is no

3038
02:11:19,669 --> 02:11:16,880
equation to express

3039
02:11:21,750 --> 02:11:19,679
that that's right and yes the physicist

3040
02:11:22,790 --> 02:11:21,760
when you really pin him down is going to

3041
02:11:25,270 --> 02:11:22,800
insist that

3042
02:11:27,589 --> 02:11:25,280
all of this is an illusion you see these

3043
02:11:31,750 --> 02:11:27,599
are just subjective

3044
02:11:35,910 --> 02:11:31,760
outcomes of neuron paths in our brains

3045
02:11:39,109 --> 02:11:35,920
which are constructing the illusion

3046
02:11:41,189 --> 02:11:39,119
of oh that's a beautiful sunset

3047
02:11:42,709 --> 02:11:41,199
no it isn't really it's just certain

3048
02:11:45,830 --> 02:11:42,719
wavelengths of light

3049
02:11:49,109 --> 02:11:45,840
being uh uh affected by the

3050
02:11:52,390 --> 02:11:49,119
refraction index of the atmosphere

3051
02:11:55,510 --> 02:11:52,400
you see that's an inadequate expression

3052
02:11:58,629 --> 02:11:55,520
of reality that is not

3053
02:12:01,910 --> 02:11:58,639
reality it is a component

3054
02:12:03,430 --> 02:12:01,920
of reality yes part of what makes that a

3055
02:12:06,870 --> 02:12:03,440
beautiful sunset

3056
02:12:09,350 --> 02:12:06,880
is the wavelengths of light being

3057
02:12:12,950 --> 02:12:09,360
refracted through the atmosphere that

3058
02:12:16,310 --> 02:12:12,960
expresses the quantitative side

3059
02:12:17,750 --> 02:12:16,320
but it doesn't even begin to encompass

3060
02:12:20,870 --> 02:12:17,760
the truth

3061
02:12:24,629 --> 02:12:20,880
of what that sunset really is

3062
02:12:26,709 --> 02:12:24,639
wolfgang understood this early enough

3063
02:12:28,629 --> 02:12:26,719
and he was well educated in the hard

3064
02:12:29,830 --> 02:12:28,639
sciences and mathematical sciences

3065
02:12:32,149 --> 02:12:29,840
enough

3066
02:12:35,189 --> 02:12:32,159
to be able to do the most important

3067
02:12:38,550 --> 02:12:35,199
thing it is possible to do right now

3068
02:12:39,270 --> 02:12:38,560
point the way forward to the inevitable

3069
02:12:46,069 --> 02:12:39,280
next

3070
02:12:46,870 --> 02:12:46,079
story the one that we will find

3071
02:12:51,109 --> 02:12:46,880
ourselves

3072
02:12:54,069 --> 02:12:51,119
constructing once the pillars really do

3073
02:12:55,510 --> 02:12:54,079
collapse on the multiverse and many

3074
02:12:56,870 --> 02:12:55,520
worlds

3075
02:12:58,550 --> 02:12:56,880
and that world's going to look something

3076
02:13:01,189 --> 02:12:58,560
like this according to wolfgang and i i

3077
02:13:04,470 --> 02:13:01,199
think he's right

3078
02:13:07,510 --> 02:13:04,480
physics will have to surrender its

3079
02:13:09,669 --> 02:13:07,520
totalist pretensions and and they were

3080
02:13:11,430 --> 02:13:09,679
always just an illusion anyway

3081
02:13:12,629 --> 02:13:11,440
this idea of a theory of everything or

3082
02:13:13,990 --> 02:13:12,639
an equation you were going to write down

3083
02:13:14,870 --> 02:13:14,000
on a t-shirt that would explain

3084
02:13:16,790 --> 02:13:14,880
everything in the universe

3085
02:13:19,430 --> 02:13:16,800
that was never anything other than an

3086
02:13:23,270 --> 02:13:19,440
illusion in the first place

3087
02:13:25,270 --> 02:13:23,280
once science surrenders its totalist

3088
02:13:26,310 --> 02:13:25,280
pretenses it'll be the best thing that

3089
02:13:29,189 --> 02:13:26,320
ever happened to it

3090
02:13:29,669 --> 02:13:29,199
because it will then understand that its

3091
02:13:33,270 --> 02:13:29,679
method

3092
02:13:36,310 --> 02:13:33,280
is perfectly situated to

3093
02:13:40,229 --> 02:13:36,320
explore that part of reality

3094
02:13:42,390 --> 02:13:40,239
that can be known through its methods

3095
02:13:44,229 --> 02:13:42,400
great news jimmy we get to keep our

3096
02:13:46,390 --> 02:13:44,239
computers our electric guitars

3097
02:13:47,589 --> 02:13:46,400
and our television sets we don't have to

3098
02:13:50,629 --> 02:13:47,599
give them up

3099
02:13:51,589 --> 02:13:50,639
well science can well okay we can

3100
02:13:58,149 --> 02:13:51,599
continue to

3101
02:13:59,430 --> 02:13:58,159
aspects of reality but these other

3102
02:14:01,750 --> 02:13:59,440
aspects

3103
02:14:02,470 --> 02:14:01,760
are not illusions they are not the

3104
02:14:05,830 --> 02:14:02,480
product of

3105
02:14:07,350 --> 02:14:05,840
neuronic neuronal interactions in a

3106
02:14:10,470 --> 02:14:07,360
brain

3107
02:14:12,149 --> 02:14:10,480
they actually point to that part of

3108
02:14:15,350 --> 02:14:12,159
reality that humanity has

3109
02:14:18,390 --> 02:14:15,360
always known is real

3110
02:14:19,990 --> 02:14:18,400
what some would call the spiritual uh

3111
02:14:23,109 --> 02:14:20,000
what wolfgang calls

3112
02:14:25,109 --> 02:14:23,119
vertical causation forms of causation

3113
02:14:27,030 --> 02:14:25,119
that do not emanate from down at the

3114
02:14:30,149 --> 02:14:27,040
bottom in the particles

3115
02:14:33,990 --> 02:14:30,159
but emanate from above from

3116
02:14:35,109 --> 02:14:34,000
higher domains and the knowledge that we

3117
02:14:37,589 --> 02:14:35,119
have acquired

3118
02:14:40,069 --> 02:14:37,599
from the great ancient schools

3119
02:14:42,750 --> 02:14:40,079
concerning these higher domains are

3120
02:14:45,589 --> 02:14:42,760
proving themselves to be absolutely

3121
02:14:48,870 --> 02:14:45,599
indispensable in resolving

3122
02:14:51,990 --> 02:14:48,880
for example schrodinger's cat

3123
02:14:55,030 --> 02:14:52,000
why is it that schrodinger's cat is only

3124
02:14:55,510 --> 02:14:55,040
dead or alive when quantum mechanics

3125
02:14:58,470 --> 02:14:55,520
tells us

3126
02:14:58,870 --> 02:14:58,480
it is both dead and alive wolfgang smith

3127
02:15:01,750 --> 02:14:58,880
can

3128
02:15:02,430 --> 02:15:01,760
answer that question because wolfgang

3129
02:15:06,149 --> 02:15:02,440
smith

3130
02:15:09,350 --> 02:15:06,159
understands the nature

3131
02:15:11,350 --> 02:15:09,360
of the ancient wisdom schools which

3132
02:15:14,709 --> 02:15:11,360
dealt with the questions of

3133
02:15:15,030 --> 02:15:14,719
being there's no mathematical equation

3134
02:15:17,589 --> 02:15:15,040
for

3135
02:15:18,709 --> 02:15:17,599
being there's no mathematical equation

3136
02:15:21,510 --> 02:15:18,719
for laughter

3137
02:15:23,589 --> 02:15:21,520
right doesn't exist yeah exactly these

3138
02:15:26,629 --> 02:15:23,599
are not illusions these are not

3139
02:15:29,830 --> 02:15:26,639
subjective illusions of

3140
02:15:33,030 --> 02:15:29,840
uh neurons in our brains we are

3141
02:15:36,149 --> 02:15:33,040
actually in a world where these

3142
02:15:39,189 --> 02:15:36,159
things are not only real

3143
02:15:40,589 --> 02:15:39,199
they are more real and more fundamental

3144
02:15:43,830 --> 02:15:40,599
than the physicists

3145
02:15:47,270 --> 02:15:43,840
equations are real

3146
02:15:49,270 --> 02:15:47,280
we explored i'm sorry i interrupted you

3147
02:15:51,589 --> 02:15:49,280
no no no go right ahead this is what

3148
02:15:53,109 --> 02:15:51,599
wolfgang is on to and this is why i

3149
02:15:56,470 --> 02:15:53,119
think that uh

3150
02:15:57,910 --> 02:15:56,480
that he has he's the first one to really

3151
02:15:59,830 --> 02:15:57,920
point the way forward here

3152
02:16:01,990 --> 02:15:59,840
he's way ahead of his time probably 40

3153
02:16:05,589 --> 02:16:02,000
years ahead of his time

3154
02:16:09,030 --> 02:16:05,599
but he has it we explored all of this

3155
02:16:09,990 --> 02:16:09,040
um in our new series it's called the h

3156
02:16:13,109 --> 02:16:10,000
factor

3157
02:16:16,310 --> 02:16:13,119
and pushing the envelope with uh

3158
02:16:17,669 --> 02:16:16,320
the transition of you know probably the

3159
02:16:19,750 --> 02:16:17,679
most fantastic

3160
02:16:20,950 --> 02:16:19,760
thing creation in the universe is the

3161
02:16:24,629 --> 02:16:20,960
human brain

3162
02:16:25,750 --> 02:16:24,639
and and what what you know how does

3163
02:16:28,870 --> 02:16:25,760
consciousness

3164
02:16:30,149 --> 02:16:28,880
arrive from you know three and a half

3165
02:16:32,469 --> 02:16:30,159
pounds of gray

3166
02:16:34,709 --> 02:16:32,479
goop you know inside of our skulls but

3167
02:16:35,589 --> 02:16:34,719
this is this is the issue that i have

3168
02:16:37,750 --> 02:16:35,599
with that

3169
02:16:38,629 --> 02:16:37,760
there's a there's a lot of uh

3170
02:16:41,429 --> 02:16:38,639
intelligent

3171
02:16:42,309 --> 02:16:41,439
people out there pursuing uh

3172
02:16:44,629 --> 02:16:42,319
consciousness

3173
02:16:46,549 --> 02:16:44,639
and going to speak with the dalai lama

3174
02:16:47,750 --> 02:16:46,559
and trying to figure out artificial

3175
02:16:50,070 --> 02:16:47,760
intelligence and

3176
02:16:50,870 --> 02:16:50,080
and is consciousness coming into play

3177
02:16:53,509 --> 02:16:50,880
but

3178
02:16:54,309 --> 02:16:53,519
we've got to get somebody like lawrence

3179
02:16:57,349 --> 02:16:54,319
krauss

3180
02:17:01,030 --> 02:16:57,359
or richard dawkins to flip

3181
02:17:01,910 --> 02:17:01,040
right and well they it would be like

3182
02:17:05,030 --> 02:17:01,920
asking the

3183
02:17:05,509 --> 02:17:05,040
you know it would be like asking uh you

3184
02:17:11,750 --> 02:17:05,519
know

3185
02:17:14,549 --> 02:17:11,760
donald trump to flip democrat or asking

3186
02:17:15,990 --> 02:17:14,559
kamala harris to flip republicans their

3187
02:17:19,190 --> 02:17:16,000
flags are planted

3188
02:17:21,349 --> 02:17:19,200
they have built their forts upon fixed

3189
02:17:21,830 --> 02:17:21,359
fortifications that is the great general

3190
02:17:26,389 --> 02:17:21,840
george

3191
02:17:28,950 --> 02:17:26,399
s patton once said fixed fortifications

3192
02:17:30,469 --> 02:17:28,960
are a monument to the stupidity of

3193
02:17:33,669 --> 02:17:30,479
mankind

3194
02:17:36,070 --> 02:17:33,679
let them have their fortress let them

3195
02:17:39,669 --> 02:17:36,080
have their moment in the sun

3196
02:17:42,870 --> 02:17:39,679
the world is moving on they have

3197
02:17:45,589 --> 02:17:42,880
no answers they have a following

3198
02:17:47,270 --> 02:17:45,599
they have a status and that's fine let

3199
02:17:49,349 --> 02:17:47,280
them enjoy it

3200
02:17:50,389 --> 02:17:49,359
the future does not belong to them the

3201
02:17:52,629 --> 02:17:50,399
past and

3202
02:17:53,830 --> 02:17:52,639
to a certain extent the present belongs

3203
02:17:56,389 --> 02:17:53,840
to them

3204
02:18:00,070 --> 02:17:56,399
but here's one thing i can tell you for

3205
02:18:07,589 --> 02:18:05,110
any attempt no matter what it is

3206
02:18:09,910 --> 02:18:07,599
to explain and again the word

3207
02:18:11,830 --> 02:18:09,920
consciousness is rather ill-defined it

3208
02:18:13,509 --> 02:18:11,840
it it doesn't have a rigorous meaning

3209
02:18:15,509 --> 02:18:13,519
what's your definition i would well

3210
02:18:17,030 --> 02:18:15,519
what's your what i would say rather than

3211
02:18:21,030 --> 02:18:17,040
consciousness

3212
02:18:23,190 --> 02:18:21,040
is intelligibility

3213
02:18:26,629 --> 02:18:23,200
in other words when we look out at the

3214
02:18:29,429 --> 02:18:26,639
world we don't need to do the equation

3215
02:18:30,790 --> 02:18:29,439
that tells us that that's a beautiful

3216
02:18:33,429 --> 02:18:30,800
blue sky

3217
02:18:34,950 --> 02:18:33,439
oh look at the lovely green trees we

3218
02:18:36,469 --> 02:18:34,960
don't have to calculate which

3219
02:18:39,750 --> 02:18:36,479
wavelengths our eyes

3220
02:18:40,469 --> 02:18:39,760
are receiving this is what the ancients

3221
02:18:43,589 --> 02:18:40,479
called

3222
02:18:44,469 --> 02:18:43,599
the intellect the the ability to

3223
02:18:47,910 --> 02:18:44,479
directly

3224
02:18:50,150 --> 02:18:47,920
perceive being this is not a

3225
02:18:50,469 --> 02:18:50,160
mathematical process and it is not even

3226
02:19:17,429 --> 02:18:50,479
a

3227
02:19:20,709 --> 02:19:17,439
so infected with this notion

3228
02:19:22,469 --> 02:19:20,719
that quantity is everything

3229
02:19:24,629 --> 02:19:22,479
that we have almost subconsciously

3230
02:19:25,990 --> 02:19:24,639
accepted if if you can't write it down

3231
02:19:30,150 --> 02:19:26,000
in an equation it can't be

3232
02:19:33,030 --> 02:19:30,160
true and that is the greatest

3233
02:19:35,429 --> 02:19:33,040
challenge that we face and luckily we're

3234
02:19:39,509 --> 02:19:35,439
making some real progress

3235
02:19:43,270 --> 02:19:39,519
because quantum physics has presented us

3236
02:19:45,589 --> 02:19:43,280
with a fundamental inability

3237
02:19:46,309 --> 02:19:45,599
to use mathematics to explain something

3238
02:19:48,230 --> 02:19:46,319
that happens

3239
02:19:51,110 --> 02:19:48,240
every time we measure a quantum system

3240
02:19:54,150 --> 02:19:51,120
in the lab the wave function collapse

3241
02:19:57,190 --> 02:19:54,160
is instantaneous unpredictable

3242
02:19:59,429 --> 02:19:57,200
and cannot be described by any equation

3243
02:20:00,870 --> 02:19:59,439
it collapses the best equation we have

3244
02:20:03,349 --> 02:20:00,880
the schrodinger equation

3245
02:20:04,950 --> 02:20:03,359
you measure a quantum system boom right

3246
02:20:08,230 --> 02:20:04,960
then right there the

3247
02:20:10,790 --> 02:20:08,240
schrodinger equation collapses

3248
02:20:12,550 --> 02:20:10,800
why well they don't have the faintest

3249
02:20:15,670 --> 02:20:12,560
idea why

3250
02:20:16,389 --> 02:20:15,680
because theoretically there should be no

3251
02:20:19,030 --> 02:20:16,399
collapse at

3252
02:20:20,469 --> 02:20:19,040
all i mean look the detector is just

3253
02:20:22,550 --> 02:20:20,479
another collection of quantum

3254
02:20:24,469 --> 02:20:22,560
particles they should obey the quantity

3255
02:20:27,670 --> 02:20:24,479
the schrodinger equation too

3256
02:20:31,110 --> 02:20:27,680
but they don't why

3257
02:20:33,510 --> 02:20:31,120
what is it about the detector

3258
02:20:35,510 --> 02:20:33,520
this is the most interesting question in

3259
02:20:37,270 --> 02:20:35,520
physics right now

3260
02:20:38,950 --> 02:20:37,280
and by the way one of the people who was

3261
02:20:40,389 --> 02:20:38,960
in the principle but by the way

3262
02:20:43,110 --> 02:20:40,399
the man i thought was the most

3263
02:20:44,230 --> 02:20:43,120
impressive of all the physicists that i

3264
02:20:46,150 --> 02:20:44,240
interviewed for the principles a man

3265
02:20:48,630 --> 02:20:46,160
named george ellis

3266
02:20:49,590 --> 02:20:48,640
george ellis just only about two years

3267
02:20:52,870 --> 02:20:49,600
ago published an

3268
02:20:56,469 --> 02:20:52,880
absolutely monumental paper

3269
02:20:58,710 --> 02:20:56,479
examining the quantum measuring problem

3270
02:21:00,790 --> 02:20:58,720
in detail and you know what he concluded

3271
02:21:05,750 --> 02:21:00,800
he concluded

3272
02:21:08,309 --> 02:21:05,760
that there exists a form of causation

3273
02:21:09,309 --> 02:21:08,319
in every quantum measurement that he

3274
02:21:12,230 --> 02:21:09,319
calls

3275
02:21:13,110 --> 02:21:12,240
top-down causation this is a form of

3276
02:21:16,150 --> 02:21:13,120
causation

3277
02:21:19,030 --> 02:21:16,160
unknown to physics

3278
02:21:19,830 --> 02:21:19,040
and he says this is unquestionably

3279
02:21:22,469 --> 02:21:19,840
active in

3280
02:21:23,750 --> 02:21:22,479
every collapse of a quantum wave

3281
02:21:25,910 --> 02:21:23,760
function

3282
02:21:26,870 --> 02:21:25,920
this is the beginning of the monumental

3283
02:21:29,349 --> 02:21:26,880
change

3284
02:21:31,110 --> 02:21:29,359
i i always say that when you watch the

3285
02:21:31,910 --> 02:21:31,120
end of quantum reality you will find

3286
02:21:35,030 --> 02:21:31,920
your world

3287
02:21:37,190 --> 02:21:35,040
turned right side up because

3288
02:21:39,110 --> 02:21:37,200
top-down causation is just another

3289
02:21:40,070 --> 02:21:39,120
version of what wolfgang smith told us

3290
02:21:43,349 --> 02:21:40,080
30 years ago

3291
02:21:45,349 --> 02:21:43,359
was vertical causation and all of a

3292
02:21:47,190 --> 02:21:45,359
sudden instead of looking down down down

3293
02:21:48,630 --> 02:21:47,200
down down down down deeper and deeper

3294
02:21:51,030 --> 02:21:48,640
deeper to the smaller and smaller and

3295
02:21:54,469 --> 02:21:51,040
smaller and smaller

3296
02:21:54,790 --> 02:21:54,479
we have to look up again we have to look

3297
02:21:58,630 --> 02:21:54,800
up

3298
02:22:02,309 --> 02:21:58,640
and recognize active forms of causation

3299
02:22:05,590 --> 02:22:02,319
in our world that do not reduce

3300
02:22:08,150 --> 02:22:05,600
to mathematical equations this is the

3301
02:22:12,150 --> 02:22:08,160
recovery of the vertical dimension

3302
02:22:13,349 --> 02:22:12,160
of reality and it will be a monumental

3303
02:22:16,469 --> 02:22:13,359
change

3304
02:22:19,670 --> 02:22:16,479
in our civilization if

3305
02:22:23,110 --> 02:22:19,680
if if science did

3306
02:22:25,429 --> 02:22:23,120
choose to focus on

3307
02:22:26,790 --> 02:22:25,439
an attempted measurement of of

3308
02:22:29,270 --> 02:22:26,800
consciousness

3309
02:22:30,389 --> 02:22:29,280
um which i think directly connects to

3310
02:22:33,590 --> 02:22:30,399
not only em

3311
02:22:35,030 --> 02:22:33,600
but uh uh entanglement and

3312
02:22:37,670 --> 02:22:35,040
and other things that have been

3313
02:22:41,190 --> 02:22:37,680
presented in theoretical physics

3314
02:22:43,110 --> 02:22:41,200
um if they were able to do that

3315
02:22:44,950 --> 02:22:43,120
or no if they were able to take the same

3316
02:22:45,270 --> 02:22:44,960
energies that they have been focusing

3317
02:22:48,230 --> 02:22:45,280
with

3318
02:22:49,030 --> 02:22:48,240
in other avenues couldn't they turn

3319
02:22:52,309 --> 02:22:49,040
around

3320
02:22:54,150 --> 02:22:52,319
and and focus on consciousness and talk

3321
02:22:55,750 --> 02:22:54,160
to the spiritual community

3322
02:22:57,190 --> 02:22:55,760
and and start to make these direct

3323
02:23:00,150 --> 02:22:57,200
connections and possibly

3324
02:23:01,030 --> 02:23:00,160
measure the one great question that has

3325
02:23:03,830 --> 02:23:01,040
been around

3326
02:23:04,230 --> 02:23:03,840
since the dawn of time which is who are

3327
02:23:07,590 --> 02:23:04,240
we

3328
02:23:10,070 --> 02:23:07,600
going

3329
02:23:13,030 --> 02:23:10,080
unfortunately their method only allows

3330
02:23:15,510 --> 02:23:13,040
them to explore the quantitative

3331
02:23:17,270 --> 02:23:15,520
aspects of this question and the

3332
02:23:18,309 --> 02:23:17,280
quantitative aspects of this question

3333
02:23:22,070 --> 02:23:18,319
are by far

3334
02:23:25,030 --> 02:23:22,080
the least important now

3335
02:23:26,070 --> 02:23:25,040
science will inevitably it's already

3336
02:23:29,830 --> 02:23:26,080
started to happen

3337
02:23:31,910 --> 02:23:29,840
and it cannot be stopped science will

3338
02:23:34,150 --> 02:23:31,920
probably within the lifetime of the

3339
02:23:37,750 --> 02:23:34,160
younger people listening

3340
02:23:39,990 --> 02:23:37,760
will be forced to admit that it

3341
02:23:41,830 --> 02:23:40,000
cannot provide us a comprehensive

3342
02:23:43,910 --> 02:23:41,840
picture of the world

3343
02:23:44,870 --> 02:23:43,920
that there are elements in the world

3344
02:23:48,710 --> 02:23:44,880
which are both

3345
02:23:52,150 --> 02:23:48,720
real and causative

3346
02:23:54,550 --> 02:23:52,160
that do not reduce to quantity that will

3347
02:23:59,750 --> 02:23:54,560
probably happen within the next

3348
02:24:02,790 --> 02:23:59,760
20 to 40 years however

3349
02:24:05,910 --> 02:24:02,800
that means in terms of

3350
02:24:08,230 --> 02:24:05,920
okay so we

3351
02:24:08,950 --> 02:24:08,240
can't describe consciousness just in

3352
02:24:12,070 --> 02:24:08,960
terms of

3353
02:24:14,550 --> 02:24:12,080
neuron interactions in the brain

3354
02:24:16,790 --> 02:24:14,560
because all of those are implicitly

3355
02:24:18,309 --> 02:24:16,800
reducible to quantity

3356
02:24:21,910 --> 02:24:18,319
you may not have a computer that's

3357
02:24:25,190 --> 02:24:21,920
powerful enough to do all of that math

3358
02:24:28,950 --> 02:24:25,200
but at least theoretically

3359
02:24:32,429 --> 02:24:28,960
all of those interactions are implicitly

3360
02:24:36,790 --> 02:24:32,439
susceptible of being represented

3361
02:24:41,990 --> 02:24:36,800
quantitatively the problem is this

3362
02:24:45,270 --> 02:24:42,000
there is no chance none whatsoever

3363
02:24:49,510 --> 02:24:45,280
that the actions of the human

3364
02:24:52,230 --> 02:24:49,520
intellect reduce to quantity

3365
02:24:53,830 --> 02:24:52,240
we do not calculate that beautiful

3366
02:24:58,469 --> 02:24:53,840
sunset

3367
02:25:01,830 --> 02:24:58,479
we simply receive it it is impossible

3368
02:25:05,349 --> 02:25:01,840
to derive that beautiful sunset as some

3369
02:25:07,830 --> 02:25:05,359
manipulation of neurons translating

3370
02:25:08,950 --> 02:25:07,840
a two-dimensional image hitting our

3371
02:25:11,590 --> 02:25:08,960
retinas

3372
02:25:13,429 --> 02:25:11,600
it doesn't work it hasn't worked it

3373
02:25:15,349 --> 02:25:13,439
never will work

3374
02:25:17,349 --> 02:25:15,359
we're going to have to recover that

3375
02:25:20,630 --> 02:25:17,359
aspect of reality

3376
02:25:23,830 --> 02:25:20,640
that pertains to the soul

3377
02:25:26,070 --> 02:25:23,840
the powers of the soul it's not the

3378
02:25:29,510 --> 02:25:26,080
powers of the brain

3379
02:25:31,750 --> 02:25:29,520
it's the powers of the being

3380
02:25:33,030 --> 02:25:31,760
and because that has fallen into such

3381
02:25:37,190 --> 02:25:33,040
disrepute

3382
02:25:40,309 --> 02:25:37,200
and disfavor in our scientific age

3383
02:25:42,550 --> 02:25:40,319
it'll be a while before science is

3384
02:25:43,670 --> 02:25:42,560
finally smart enough to say okay we know

3385
02:25:46,790 --> 02:25:43,680
there is something

3386
02:25:48,150 --> 02:25:46,800
up there our method will only allow us

3387
02:25:50,630 --> 02:25:48,160
to approach it from

3388
02:25:51,389 --> 02:25:50,640
below we will find very interesting

3389
02:25:55,030 --> 02:25:51,399
things at the

3390
02:25:56,870 --> 02:25:55,040
intersection of the quantitative and the

3391
02:25:59,110 --> 02:25:56,880
qualitative

3392
02:26:00,950 --> 02:25:59,120
but our method cannot take us anywhere

3393
02:26:03,670 --> 02:26:00,960
beyond the quantitative

3394
02:26:04,790 --> 02:26:03,680
that's why by the way jimmy i have a

3395
02:26:07,830 --> 02:26:04,800
standing

3396
02:26:11,270 --> 02:26:07,840
bet with anybody who wants to take it

3397
02:26:15,429 --> 02:26:11,280
there will never be any

3398
02:26:18,230 --> 02:26:15,439
actual artificial intelligence

3399
02:26:19,349 --> 02:26:18,240
the the the words artificial

3400
02:26:21,910 --> 02:26:19,359
intelligence

3401
02:26:22,389 --> 02:26:21,920
are at least as mutually contradictory

3402
02:26:25,670 --> 02:26:22,399
as

3403
02:26:27,110 --> 02:26:25,680
military intelligence the two simply do

3404
02:26:30,150 --> 02:26:27,120
not go together

3405
02:26:33,349 --> 02:26:30,160
intelligence has nothing to do

3406
02:26:34,230 --> 02:26:33,359
with algorithms intelligence has nothing

3407
02:26:38,910 --> 02:26:34,240
to do

3408
02:26:42,469 --> 02:26:38,920
with the direct

3409
02:26:44,150 --> 02:26:42,479
apprehension of the real

3410
02:26:46,469 --> 02:26:44,160
and that is something that mathematics

3411
02:26:48,070 --> 02:26:46,479
is simply not ever going to be able to

3412
02:26:51,590 --> 02:26:48,080
uh come to terms with

3413
02:26:54,950 --> 02:26:51,600
luckily there is enormous

3414
02:26:55,990 --> 02:26:54,960
knowledge wisdom rigorous scientific

3415
02:26:59,349 --> 02:26:56,000
knowledge

3416
02:27:01,110 --> 02:26:59,359
about this power

3417
02:27:03,270 --> 02:27:01,120
that the ancient wisdom schools spent

3418
02:27:05,510 --> 02:27:03,280
thousands of years

3419
02:27:07,030 --> 02:27:05,520
of compiling this is why wolfgang went

3420
02:27:10,230 --> 02:27:07,040
to india

3421
02:27:11,910 --> 02:27:10,240
was to contact these wisdom schools and

3422
02:27:15,429 --> 02:27:11,920
what he learned there is what

3423
02:27:16,870 --> 02:27:15,439
saved him from being sucked into this

3424
02:27:19,910 --> 02:27:16,880
black hole

3425
02:27:21,990 --> 02:27:19,920
of everything reduces to quantity

3426
02:27:23,590 --> 02:27:22,000
the most important thing is that the

3427
02:27:26,389 --> 02:27:23,600
world does not

3428
02:27:27,270 --> 02:27:26,399
reduce to quantity there are aspects of

3429
02:27:30,309 --> 02:27:27,280
the world

3430
02:27:32,190 --> 02:27:30,319
that no equation can ever comprehend but

3431
02:27:34,950 --> 02:27:32,200
our intellect

3432
02:27:36,309 --> 02:27:34,960
instantaneously and intuitively

3433
02:27:39,429 --> 02:27:36,319
comprehend it

3434
02:27:41,750 --> 02:27:39,439
it really is a red apple out there it's

3435
02:27:45,190 --> 02:27:41,760
not just a bunch of neurons

3436
02:27:48,550 --> 02:27:45,200
giving us the illusion of one the world

3437
02:27:51,590 --> 02:27:48,560
that we perceive is in a very real sense

3438
02:27:52,870 --> 02:27:51,600
far more real than the world of the

3439
02:27:55,429 --> 02:27:52,880
physicist

3440
02:27:56,710 --> 02:27:55,439
and we all know it run deep we all know

3441
02:27:58,630 --> 02:27:56,720
it every time we walk down

3442
02:28:00,309 --> 02:27:58,640
beautiful sunsets down the street and

3443
02:28:03,830 --> 02:28:00,319
watch a beautiful sunset

3444
02:28:06,230 --> 02:28:03,840
our being knows even if our educated

3445
02:28:09,030 --> 02:28:06,240
scientific pretensions try to tell us

3446
02:28:10,150 --> 02:28:09,040
oh it's just wavelengths and uh and uh

3447
02:28:12,469 --> 02:28:10,160
refractions

3448
02:28:14,389 --> 02:28:12,479
well you know you know when these

3449
02:28:16,469 --> 02:28:14,399
scientists and and thinkers

3450
02:28:18,309 --> 02:28:16,479
you know go to tibet you know talk with

3451
02:28:19,270 --> 02:28:18,319
these teachers and leaders or the dalai

3452
02:28:21,910 --> 02:28:19,280
lama

3453
02:28:22,950 --> 02:28:21,920
they it's exactly what you're saying

3454
02:28:24,469 --> 02:28:22,960
they are turning around

3455
02:28:27,270 --> 02:28:24,479
you were going to come here sooner or

3456
02:28:29,270 --> 02:28:27,280
later right yeah exactly

3457
02:28:31,830 --> 02:28:29,280
you remember that story that wonderful

3458
02:28:33,429 --> 02:28:31,840
story uh i i can't i i'm probably gonna

3459
02:28:35,670 --> 02:28:33,439
mess it up here but

3460
02:28:37,110 --> 02:28:35,680
you know the story is that uh the these

3461
02:28:40,950 --> 02:28:37,120
physicists are

3462
02:28:42,469 --> 02:28:40,960
climbing this straight up stroke like el

3463
02:28:45,510 --> 02:28:42,479
capitan you know they

3464
02:28:47,830 --> 02:28:45,520
struggle and struggle and they finally

3465
02:28:49,030 --> 02:28:47,840
drag themselves over the top and they

3466
02:28:51,510 --> 02:28:49,040
see

3467
02:28:52,950 --> 02:28:51,520
a whole bunch of theologian and mystics

3468
02:28:53,349 --> 02:28:52,960
gathered around the campfire and they

3469
02:28:55,349 --> 02:28:53,359
say

3470
02:28:57,190 --> 02:28:55,359
oh good you finally made it come on over

3471
02:29:00,469 --> 02:28:57,200
so let's sit down and talk

3472
02:29:02,950 --> 02:29:00,479
that's exactly it you know i say it all

3473
02:29:05,910 --> 02:29:02,960
the time but the most spiritual person

3474
02:29:07,830 --> 02:29:05,920
on the planet is the physicist when the

3475
02:29:11,270 --> 02:29:07,840
plane is going down

3476
02:29:12,950 --> 02:29:11,280
oh boy i love it i love it i love it

3477
02:29:15,030 --> 02:29:12,960
and this is this is a beautiful thing

3478
02:29:16,710 --> 02:29:15,040
and what gives me such hope even though

3479
02:29:18,389 --> 02:29:16,720
we're entering into a very dark time

3480
02:29:20,830 --> 02:29:18,399
here yeah you know

3481
02:29:23,030 --> 02:29:20,840
we are entering a period of

3482
02:29:27,030 --> 02:29:23,040
civilizational

3483
02:29:28,469 --> 02:29:27,040
trauma that may possibly be the greatest

3484
02:29:30,469 --> 02:29:28,479
in many many centuries

3485
02:29:33,030 --> 02:29:30,479
and that's scary in a way but it's also

3486
02:29:35,270 --> 02:29:33,040
incredibly hopeful

3487
02:29:36,630 --> 02:29:35,280
we're about to learn something we're

3488
02:29:39,349 --> 02:29:36,640
about to recover

3489
02:29:40,630 --> 02:29:39,359
a lost element of what it means to be

3490
02:29:42,790 --> 02:29:40,640
human

3491
02:29:44,070 --> 02:29:42,800
and that is going to make for a much in

3492
02:29:47,429 --> 02:29:44,080
my opinion

3493
02:29:50,469 --> 02:29:47,439
a much more beautiful world and

3494
02:29:52,309 --> 02:29:50,479
we just have to sort of stick stick

3495
02:29:54,790 --> 02:29:52,319
through the rough patch here

3496
02:29:57,270 --> 02:29:54,800
yeah and do everything we can to to to

3497
02:29:59,670 --> 02:29:57,280
pass this on to the next generation

3498
02:30:01,270 --> 02:29:59,680
okay rick i'm i'm going to ask you now

3499
02:30:02,790 --> 02:30:01,280
uh i need you to stay

3500
02:30:04,550 --> 02:30:02,800
i need you to stay we got to go into

3501
02:30:06,630 --> 02:30:04,560
overtime i need you for 20 more minutes

3502
02:30:09,590 --> 02:30:06,640
there's no way this counts

3503
02:30:11,349 --> 02:30:09,600
this conversation doesn't end now um but

3504
02:30:13,670 --> 02:30:11,359
you know what that reminds me of i used

3505
02:30:17,110 --> 02:30:13,680
to get so frustrated as a kid

3506
02:30:19,590 --> 02:30:17,120
uh but you know you see the wise man uh

3507
02:30:21,429 --> 02:30:19,600
always say well to go forward you must

3508
02:30:24,469 --> 02:30:21,439
first go back

3509
02:30:26,710 --> 02:30:24,479
to go up you must first go down

3510
02:30:28,150 --> 02:30:26,720
well i guess you know what they're doing

3511
02:30:30,150 --> 02:30:28,160
do you know what they're doing

3512
02:30:31,270 --> 02:30:30,160
they're trying to break you out of your

3513
02:30:34,070 --> 02:30:31,280
logical

3514
02:30:35,830 --> 02:30:34,080
habits of perception they're trying to

3515
02:30:39,030 --> 02:30:35,840
get you to recover that

3516
02:30:40,070 --> 02:30:39,040
direct unmediated perception of the

3517
02:30:43,270 --> 02:30:40,080
being

3518
02:30:46,950 --> 02:30:43,280
because it ain't logical i'm telling you

3519
02:30:49,190 --> 02:30:46,960
the the human being has the power to

3520
02:30:50,870 --> 02:30:49,200
rationally chop things up into little

3521
02:30:53,750 --> 02:30:50,880
bits and that's very useful

3522
02:30:55,910 --> 02:30:53,760
very helpful helps us a lot because a

3523
02:30:56,870 --> 02:30:55,920
human being also has the ability to see

3524
02:31:00,710 --> 02:30:56,880
the whole

3525
02:31:02,469 --> 02:31:00,720
instantly and know it not by thinking

3526
02:31:03,990 --> 02:31:02,479
about it or analyzing it but by

3527
02:31:05,510 --> 02:31:04,000
perceiving it

3528
02:31:07,270 --> 02:31:05,520
and that's what we have to recover and

3529
02:31:09,429 --> 02:31:07,280
that's what we are going to recover

3530
02:31:11,110 --> 02:31:09,439
and we will and we will continue this

3531
02:31:12,950 --> 02:31:11,120
conversation right after this short

3532
02:31:16,469 --> 02:31:12,960
break we're heading into overtime

3533
02:31:17,110 --> 02:31:16,479
rick delano the new film is the end of

3534
02:31:19,510 --> 02:31:17,120
quantum

3535
02:31:20,630 --> 02:31:19,520
reality video on demand it's on all the

3536
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platforms out there

3537
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highly recommend it more with rick after

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this short break this is faded black i

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am your host jimmy church you can follow

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me on twitter at j church radio

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and uh rick what's your twitter

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uh it is celos sophia oh god what is my

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uh cielo's sophia.org we'll get it up

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there right now in the feed we'll be

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3654
02:36:29,270 --> 02:36:22,960
this is kjcr jimmychurchradio.com

3655
02:36:30,790 --> 02:36:29,280
[Music]

3656
02:36:32,790 --> 02:36:30,800
welcome back fade to black heading into

3657
02:36:34,230 --> 02:36:32,800
overtime rick delano

3658
02:36:36,389 --> 02:36:34,240
we're gonna go pull to pole there's no

3659
02:36:39,510 --> 02:36:36,399
way this conversation was even

3660
02:36:42,870 --> 02:36:39,520
close to ending

3661
02:36:43,190 --> 02:36:42,880
and uh you know uh rick i want to thank

3662
02:36:44,950 --> 02:36:43,200
you

3663
02:36:46,230 --> 02:36:44,960
uh for for the show tonight i look

3664
02:36:47,429 --> 02:36:46,240
forward to the next time that we have

3665
02:36:50,469 --> 02:36:47,439
you on so much

3666
02:36:51,750 --> 02:36:50,479
to discuss and we're just scratching the

3667
02:36:54,309 --> 02:36:51,760
surface tonight

3668
02:36:55,990 --> 02:36:54,319
uh it's your first time on the show but

3669
02:36:56,309 --> 02:36:56,000
uh i want to have some fun right now

3670
02:37:00,389 --> 02:36:56,319
let's

3671
02:37:04,389 --> 02:37:00,399
little bit uh for this last segment

3672
02:37:06,309 --> 02:37:04,399
and and it is this i talk about

3673
02:37:07,510 --> 02:37:06,319
the basics of the basics you know

3674
02:37:11,270 --> 02:37:07,520
particles

3675
02:37:14,070 --> 02:37:11,280
uh amino acids chemicals uh that are

3676
02:37:14,550 --> 02:37:14,080
everywhere in the universe and they only

3677
02:37:18,230 --> 02:37:14,560
can

3678
02:37:21,429 --> 02:37:18,240
combine so many ways and

3679
02:37:23,590 --> 02:37:21,439
certainly life on this earth is here

3680
02:37:24,950 --> 02:37:23,600
how we did it how it was pulled off was

3681
02:37:28,309 --> 02:37:24,960
it divine was there

3682
02:37:29,270 --> 02:37:28,319
some other intervention uh i'm open to

3683
02:37:33,110 --> 02:37:29,280
all ideas

3684
02:37:37,429 --> 02:37:33,120
but because of those basic thoughts

3685
02:37:41,030 --> 02:37:37,439
there must be a lot of life out there

3686
02:37:44,550 --> 02:37:41,040
how much life is in the milky way

3687
02:37:47,670 --> 02:37:44,560
uh i am i agree with max tegmark

3688
02:37:51,349 --> 02:37:47,680
and the two of us are obviously

3689
02:37:53,830 --> 02:37:51,359
in a very significant minority

3690
02:37:54,469 --> 02:37:53,840
but i agree with max tegmark that we are

3691
02:37:56,950 --> 02:37:54,479
already

3692
02:37:59,590 --> 02:37:56,960
in possession of sufficient

3693
02:38:02,790 --> 02:37:59,600
observational evidence to conclude

3694
02:38:05,030 --> 02:38:02,800
with a very high degree of competence

3695
02:38:07,030 --> 02:38:05,040
that there is no intelligent life not

3696
02:38:07,670 --> 02:38:07,040
only in the milky way galaxy but in the

3697
02:38:10,790 --> 02:38:07,680
entire

3698
02:38:14,150 --> 02:38:10,800
observable universe anywhere

3699
02:38:16,150 --> 02:38:14,160
except right here

3700
02:38:17,429 --> 02:38:16,160
now and when you say that which is

3701
02:38:20,710 --> 02:38:17,439
radical right

3702
02:38:23,429 --> 02:38:20,720
because uh uh

3703
02:38:24,550 --> 02:38:23,439
when we talk about the numbers just just

3704
02:38:26,630 --> 02:38:24,560
we just

3705
02:38:27,670 --> 02:38:26,640
get it down to the the fundamentals

3706
02:38:30,309 --> 02:38:27,680
elementals

3707
02:38:31,910 --> 02:38:30,319
we're just talking about numbers if you

3708
02:38:35,190 --> 02:38:31,920
shuffle a deck of cards

3709
02:38:37,349 --> 02:38:35,200
eventually uh and and deal them out

3710
02:38:38,309 --> 02:38:37,359
eventually if you shuffle them enough

3711
02:38:41,510 --> 02:38:38,319
times

3712
02:38:42,790 --> 02:38:41,520
you're gonna repeat the shuffle right

3713
02:38:46,150 --> 02:38:42,800
absolutely as a matter of fact

3714
02:38:50,230 --> 02:38:46,160
it's even it's very simple if

3715
02:38:53,349 --> 02:38:50,240
in fact life

3716
02:38:58,469 --> 02:38:53,359
is simply the right shuffle of

3717
02:39:02,230 --> 02:38:58,479
the deck if we grant that assumption

3718
02:39:04,950 --> 02:39:02,240
that it is incontestably certain

3719
02:39:06,070 --> 02:39:04,960
that life should be absolutely

3720
02:39:10,870 --> 02:39:06,080
everywhere

3721
02:39:15,110 --> 02:39:10,880
milky way galaxy

3722
02:39:18,150 --> 02:39:15,120
the problem jimmy is that it is not

3723
02:39:21,270 --> 02:39:18,160
why here's the argument

3724
02:39:21,990 --> 02:39:21,280
max says you do basically a statistical

3725
02:39:24,950 --> 02:39:22,000
analysis

3726
02:39:26,630 --> 02:39:24,960
based on orders of magnitude you start

3727
02:39:29,590 --> 02:39:26,640
with a centimeter

3728
02:39:30,389 --> 02:39:29,600
then 10 centimeters then 100 centimeters

3729
02:39:33,670 --> 02:39:30,399
a meter

3730
02:39:38,150 --> 02:39:33,680
and you you keep extending out

3731
02:39:41,429 --> 02:39:38,160
from earth in orders of magnitude

3732
02:39:44,550 --> 02:39:41,439
if life is just a shuffle

3733
02:39:48,389 --> 02:39:44,560
of the deck

3734
02:39:52,150 --> 02:39:48,399
then that means that we know there are

3735
02:39:53,910 --> 02:39:52,160
billions of planets perfectly good for

3736
02:39:57,190 --> 02:39:53,920
life

3737
02:40:00,550 --> 02:39:57,200
just in our own milky way galaxy and

3738
02:40:03,990 --> 02:40:00,560
billions of those are

3739
02:40:07,030 --> 02:40:04,000
billions of years older than

3740
02:40:10,870 --> 02:40:07,040
the earth okay it's a statistical

3741
02:40:15,990 --> 02:40:10,880
certainty here's the problem

3742
02:40:20,550 --> 02:40:16,000
we first flew under power in 1903

3743
02:40:23,910 --> 02:40:20,560
that's 117 years ago

3744
02:40:26,630 --> 02:40:23,920
we left the solar system

3745
02:40:28,469 --> 02:40:26,640
somewhere between about 2015 and about

3746
02:40:31,510 --> 02:40:28,479
2016 when the

3747
02:40:34,389 --> 02:40:31,520
voyager passed beyond the solar system

3748
02:40:34,790 --> 02:40:34,399
however you wanted to find it so it took

3749
02:40:37,830 --> 02:40:34,800
us

3750
02:40:41,590 --> 02:40:37,840
about a hundred and

3751
02:40:44,630 --> 02:40:41,600
thirteen or fourteen years to go from

3752
02:40:47,110 --> 02:40:44,640
very first powered flight to leaving the

3753
02:40:50,550 --> 02:40:47,120
solar system

3754
02:40:53,510 --> 02:40:50,560
where are we going to be in 10

3755
02:40:53,910 --> 02:40:53,520
000 years that isn't even a blink of an

3756
02:40:56,389 --> 02:40:53,920
eye

3757
02:40:57,750 --> 02:40:56,399
how about a hundred thousand how about a

3758
02:41:01,030 --> 02:40:57,760
million years

3759
02:41:05,349 --> 02:41:01,040
still not even a blink how about

3760
02:41:08,309 --> 02:41:05,359
100 million years

3761
02:41:09,590 --> 02:41:08,319
this is what fermi's paradox is all

3762
02:41:12,230 --> 02:41:09,600
about

3763
02:41:13,590 --> 02:41:12,240
if life is just the right shuffle of the

3764
02:41:16,870 --> 02:41:13,600
cards

3765
02:41:18,630 --> 02:41:16,880
then it should have happened uncountably

3766
02:41:21,750 --> 02:41:18,640
billions of times

3767
02:41:25,750 --> 02:41:21,760
just in our own galaxy

3768
02:41:29,349 --> 02:41:25,760
and those planets have had billions

3769
02:41:33,269 --> 02:41:29,359
of years billions of years

3770
02:41:34,790 --> 02:41:33,279
to move out and colonize all of the

3771
02:41:38,070 --> 02:41:34,800
goldilocks zone

3772
02:41:41,590 --> 02:41:38,080
planets and it hasn't

3773
02:41:45,110 --> 02:41:41,600
happened max's conclusion is that

3774
02:41:47,670 --> 02:41:45,120
it is extremely confident

3775
02:41:50,150 --> 02:41:47,680
yet he is extremely competent on

3776
02:41:53,590 --> 02:41:50,160
strictly statistical grounds

3777
02:41:56,309 --> 02:41:53,600
that there is no intelligent life

3778
02:41:57,110 --> 02:41:56,319
not merely in the milky way but in the

3779
02:42:00,790 --> 02:41:57,120
entire

3780
02:42:04,309 --> 02:42:00,800
observable universe based upon

3781
02:42:07,269 --> 02:42:04,319
the amount of time that all of these

3782
02:42:09,110 --> 02:42:07,279
billions upon billions of correct

3783
02:42:12,550 --> 02:42:09,120
shuffles of the deck

3784
02:42:15,670 --> 02:42:12,560
would have had to get out and colonize

3785
02:42:18,630 --> 02:42:15,680
all the goldilocks zone planets

3786
02:42:19,349 --> 02:42:18,640
it hasn't happened we've been doing seti

3787
02:42:22,389 --> 02:42:19,359
now for

3788
02:42:25,750 --> 02:42:22,399
going on 50 years so we're out

3789
02:42:27,429 --> 02:42:25,760
50 light years in all directions now

3790
02:42:28,950 --> 02:42:27,439
and there ain't a whisper out there

3791
02:42:30,309 --> 02:42:28,960
jimmy

3792
02:42:32,469 --> 02:42:30,319
there's something wrong with that

3793
02:42:36,790 --> 02:42:32,479
assumption that life

3794
02:42:40,870 --> 02:42:36,800
is just the right shuffle of the deck

3795
02:42:43,910 --> 02:42:40,880
my counter to that is

3796
02:42:46,630 --> 02:42:43,920
actually a quite simple one and there's

3797
02:42:48,790 --> 02:42:46,640
a few different ways to look at it

3798
02:42:52,150 --> 02:42:48,800
number one

3799
02:42:56,790 --> 02:42:52,160
it can be as simple as

3800
02:42:59,830 --> 02:42:56,800
uh life out there is

3801
02:43:03,110 --> 02:42:59,840
communicating with each other

3802
02:43:06,710 --> 02:43:03,120
but it's not on our time scale that

3803
02:43:09,990 --> 02:43:06,720
what we are hearing is is noise

3804
02:43:12,710 --> 02:43:10,000
what we are hearing is not visible to

3805
02:43:14,389 --> 02:43:12,720
us and i think that is a very simple way

3806
02:43:15,269 --> 02:43:14,399
to look at it number one if you want to

3807
02:43:18,230 --> 02:43:15,279
say

3808
02:43:18,710 --> 02:43:18,240
why aren't we seeing it but i would

3809
02:43:21,030 --> 02:43:18,720
counter

3810
02:43:22,630 --> 02:43:21,040
that for me but let me finish the

3811
02:43:24,710 --> 02:43:22,640
problem with that argument for me and

3812
02:43:27,750 --> 02:43:24,720
for all similar arguments

3813
02:43:29,110 --> 02:43:27,760
is that it's an argument from absence of

3814
02:43:31,750 --> 02:43:29,120
evidence

3815
02:43:33,670 --> 02:43:31,760
in other words the reason we don't see

3816
02:43:37,349 --> 02:43:33,680
angels

3817
02:43:41,670 --> 02:43:37,359
is because they occupy a

3818
02:43:44,469 --> 02:43:41,680
wavelength beyond our visual

3819
02:43:46,550 --> 02:43:44,479
apparatus okay well i certainly can't

3820
02:43:48,870 --> 02:43:46,560
falsify that

3821
02:43:50,150 --> 02:43:48,880
what i can say is that there is

3822
02:43:53,429 --> 02:43:50,160
absolutely no

3823
02:43:55,510 --> 02:43:53,439
evidence of that and

3824
02:43:57,030 --> 02:43:55,520
in the same way i can certainly agree

3825
02:44:00,150 --> 02:43:57,040
with you that it's it's

3826
02:44:03,510 --> 02:44:00,160
it's possible that

3827
02:44:03,990 --> 02:44:03,520
life is all around us and they are

3828
02:44:07,510 --> 02:44:04,000
hiding

3829
02:44:10,710 --> 02:44:07,520
themselves from our sensors and they

3830
02:44:12,469 --> 02:44:10,720
are treating us as a zoo and you know

3831
02:44:13,830 --> 02:44:12,479
you you can write five great science

3832
02:44:16,870 --> 02:44:13,840
fiction movies about that

3833
02:44:21,110 --> 02:44:16,880
the problem is there's absolutely

3834
02:44:24,150 --> 02:44:21,120
not the slightest bit of evidence

3835
02:44:26,550 --> 02:44:24,160
that that is in fact the case all that

3836
02:44:29,990 --> 02:44:26,560
we know for sure

3837
02:44:33,750 --> 02:44:30,000
is that the assumption that life

3838
02:44:35,910 --> 02:44:33,760
is a correct shuffle of the cards

3839
02:44:38,230 --> 02:44:35,920
means it should be absolutely everywhere

3840
02:44:40,389 --> 02:44:38,240
and at least some of it

3841
02:44:41,429 --> 02:44:40,399
should by strictly statistical

3842
02:44:45,030 --> 02:44:41,439
probabilities

3843
02:44:48,230 --> 02:44:45,040
be somewhat approximately where we are

3844
02:44:49,910 --> 02:44:48,240
or somewhere just beyond where we are

3845
02:44:51,429 --> 02:44:49,920
they should still be dealing with the

3846
02:44:53,269 --> 02:44:51,439
same technological i mean

3847
02:44:55,349 --> 02:44:53,279
look there's only a certain number of

3848
02:44:57,590 --> 02:44:55,359
ways to make semiconductors

3849
02:44:59,190 --> 02:44:57,600
but what you're what you're suggesting

3850
02:45:03,030 --> 02:44:59,200
though um

3851
02:45:05,190 --> 02:45:03,040
is that you have never seen

3852
02:45:06,870 --> 02:45:05,200
or observed something that you can't

3853
02:45:08,790 --> 02:45:06,880
explain

3854
02:45:10,790 --> 02:45:08,800
you haven't had that paradigm shift

3855
02:45:13,110 --> 02:45:10,800
there are many things i can't explain

3856
02:45:14,309 --> 02:45:13,120
what i haven't observed what i have not

3857
02:45:17,590 --> 02:45:14,319
observed

3858
02:45:19,429 --> 02:45:17,600
is the slightest bit of evidence

3859
02:45:20,950 --> 02:45:19,439
that there is another intelligent

3860
02:45:24,790 --> 02:45:20,960
species

3861
02:45:28,950 --> 02:45:24,800
um that that or that

3862
02:45:31,990 --> 02:45:28,960
better said that there is a process

3863
02:45:35,349 --> 02:45:32,000
a law of biology

3864
02:45:40,630 --> 02:45:35,359
in the universe that will

3865
02:45:43,750 --> 02:45:40,640
naturally generate stupendous numbers

3866
02:45:44,309 --> 02:45:43,760
of intelligent species according to the

3867
02:45:47,910 --> 02:45:44,319
same

3868
02:45:52,790 --> 02:45:47,920
laws that generated ours right and that

3869
02:45:55,990 --> 02:45:52,800
this principle will spin off

3870
02:45:57,830 --> 02:45:56,000
at least tens of millions of intelligent

3871
02:46:00,230 --> 02:45:57,840
cultures on the time scale that we are

3872
02:46:02,870 --> 02:46:00,240
talking about just in our own

3873
02:46:03,830 --> 02:46:02,880
little neck of the milky way there's no

3874
02:46:07,670 --> 02:46:03,840
evidence of this

3875
02:46:10,950 --> 02:46:07,680
right that's the case if that's the case

3876
02:46:14,070 --> 02:46:10,960
if that is the case if if you feel

3877
02:46:17,190 --> 02:46:14,080
that we are it

3878
02:46:18,309 --> 02:46:17,200
then why take care of the planet why not

3879
02:46:20,230 --> 02:46:18,319
just party

3880
02:46:22,469 --> 02:46:20,240
there's no reason to meet our space

3881
02:46:23,990 --> 02:46:22,479
brothers so let's just burn this sucker

3882
02:46:28,150 --> 02:46:24,000
down there's no re

3883
02:46:31,750 --> 02:46:28,160
it's a lonely it would seem to me

3884
02:46:33,429 --> 02:46:31,760
that the idea that the thing that gives

3885
02:46:37,110 --> 02:46:33,439
meaning to our existence

3886
02:46:39,830 --> 02:46:37,120
is meeting our space brothers is wrong

3887
02:46:41,030 --> 02:46:39,840
that that is not in fact the meaning of

3888
02:46:45,030 --> 02:46:41,040
our existence

3889
02:46:47,269 --> 02:46:45,040
that the reason that we are here

3890
02:46:48,389 --> 02:46:47,279
and the purpose that we are here to

3891
02:46:51,750 --> 02:46:48,399
fulfill

3892
02:46:53,510 --> 02:46:51,760
is something other than meeting our

3893
02:46:56,630 --> 02:46:53,520
space brothers

3894
02:46:59,590 --> 02:46:56,640
now we know as a matter of fact it's a

3895
02:47:02,870 --> 02:46:59,600
matter of historical fact

3896
02:47:05,110 --> 02:47:02,880
that essentially zero human

3897
02:47:06,469 --> 02:47:05,120
civilizations

3898
02:47:08,790 --> 02:47:06,479
that have reached the stage where

3899
02:47:09,910 --> 02:47:08,800
they've left enough behind that we can

3900
02:47:13,030 --> 02:47:09,920
learn about them

3901
02:47:15,510 --> 02:47:13,040
right have believed that our purpose was

3902
02:47:18,870 --> 02:47:15,520
to meet our space brothers

3903
02:47:21,190 --> 02:47:18,880
that is a quintessentially modern idea

3904
02:47:23,110 --> 02:47:21,200
it is something that only emerges in

3905
02:47:25,830 --> 02:47:23,120
modern civilization

3906
02:47:27,190 --> 02:47:25,840
which has in turn been shaped in its

3907
02:47:30,389 --> 02:47:27,200
beliefs and outlooks by

3908
02:47:33,510 --> 02:47:30,399
science prior to this

3909
02:47:35,670 --> 02:47:33,520
scientific worldview right

3910
02:47:37,910 --> 02:47:35,680
we always understood ourselves to be

3911
02:47:41,030 --> 02:47:37,920
spiritual beings

3912
02:47:42,550 --> 02:47:41,040
in fact the vast majority of every human

3913
02:47:45,830 --> 02:47:42,560
being who ever lived

3914
02:47:46,710 --> 02:47:45,840
christian or otherwise up until the 17th

3915
02:47:49,750 --> 02:47:46,720
century

3916
02:47:50,469 --> 02:47:49,760
believed that the earth was unique and

3917
02:47:54,230 --> 02:47:50,479
indeed

3918
02:47:57,590 --> 02:47:54,240
central in the entire cosmos

3919
02:48:00,630 --> 02:47:57,600
that this was where all the action

3920
02:48:02,150 --> 02:48:00,640
is and the action is not meeting our

3921
02:48:05,590 --> 02:48:02,160
space brothers

3922
02:48:08,150 --> 02:48:05,600
the action is meeting our creator

3923
02:48:08,870 --> 02:48:08,160
this is the old world story that has

3924
02:48:11,910 --> 02:48:08,880
been

3925
02:48:15,110 --> 02:48:11,920
supplanted and overturned

3926
02:48:18,230 --> 02:48:15,120
by the enlightenment scientific myth

3927
02:48:20,870 --> 02:48:18,240
which myth is more true

3928
02:48:22,230 --> 02:48:20,880
which myth is more powerful well that's

3929
02:48:25,190 --> 02:48:22,240
the question

3930
02:48:25,990 --> 02:48:25,200
at this point i would argue and i hope

3931
02:48:28,469 --> 02:48:26,000
i'm not

3932
02:48:30,550 --> 02:48:28,479
i mean i i certainly acknowledge

3933
02:48:31,110 --> 02:48:30,560
completely what you said that max and i

3934
02:48:34,070 --> 02:48:31,120
are in a

3935
02:48:35,830 --> 02:48:34,080
drastic minority here you couldn't find

3936
02:48:37,910 --> 02:48:35,840
five people who agree with this

3937
02:48:39,190 --> 02:48:37,920
you're right about 99 of the people are

3938
02:48:41,269 --> 02:48:39,200
going to agree with you

3939
02:48:42,230 --> 02:48:41,279
you're right about that and that that

3940
02:48:46,870 --> 02:48:42,240
being said

3941
02:48:49,990 --> 02:48:46,880
yes i nonetheless argue

3942
02:48:56,550 --> 02:48:53,349
the lack of any contact the lack of

3943
02:49:00,950 --> 02:48:56,560
any hint of evidence

3944
02:49:04,309 --> 02:49:00,960
for any intelligent civilizations

3945
02:49:08,710 --> 02:49:04,319
tends to suggest

3946
02:49:10,950 --> 02:49:08,720
that the the old world story

3947
02:49:13,429 --> 02:49:10,960
may just prove to have a whole lot more

3948
02:49:16,389 --> 02:49:13,439
meat on its bones

3949
02:49:17,429 --> 02:49:16,399
than uh then would be generally uh

3950
02:49:19,190 --> 02:49:17,439
anticipated

3951
02:49:20,790 --> 02:49:19,200
i'll put it that way yeah i agree with

3952
02:49:24,070 --> 02:49:20,800
that but there's there's

3953
02:49:25,910 --> 02:49:24,080
and this is where this is where

3954
02:49:27,110 --> 02:49:25,920
the line in the sand for me is

3955
02:49:30,469 --> 02:49:27,120
completely

3956
02:49:33,750 --> 02:49:30,479
defined and that is this now rick

3957
02:49:37,030 --> 02:49:33,760
just listen to what i have to say

3958
02:49:37,910 --> 02:49:37,040
i'm not i i'm i'm with this is an actual

3959
02:49:41,830 --> 02:49:37,920
event

3960
02:49:45,110 --> 02:49:41,840
okay i'm with 30 or 40 people

3961
02:49:48,309 --> 02:49:45,120
middle of the day we're up in washington

3962
02:49:50,469 --> 02:49:48,319
middle of the day beautiful blue sky

3963
02:49:51,990 --> 02:49:50,479
we're in front of mount adams which is

3964
02:49:55,110 --> 02:49:52,000
14 miles away

3965
02:49:56,790 --> 02:49:55,120
it's taking up our entire uh

3966
02:49:58,790 --> 02:49:56,800
field of view it's in front of us i'm

3967
02:50:01,510 --> 02:49:58,800
sitting at a picnic table

3968
02:50:02,870 --> 02:50:01,520
and uh and i've got a set of binoculars

3969
02:50:05,190 --> 02:50:02,880
on a tripod

3970
02:50:06,870 --> 02:50:05,200
and i'm looking at the mountain i'm

3971
02:50:08,550 --> 02:50:06,880
looking at the birds i'm looking at the

3972
02:50:10,630 --> 02:50:08,560
peak of the mountain

3973
02:50:12,389 --> 02:50:10,640
and uh it's about three o'clock in the

3974
02:50:13,349 --> 02:50:12,399
afternoon beautiful i'm listening to the

3975
02:50:16,230 --> 02:50:13,359
birds and

3976
02:50:17,269 --> 02:50:16,240
and things and i'm at this moment about

3977
02:50:18,790 --> 02:50:17,279
15 minutes i'm

3978
02:50:20,950 --> 02:50:18,800
looking at the mountain i'm at this

3979
02:50:24,630 --> 02:50:20,960
moment of tranquility

3980
02:50:28,150 --> 02:50:24,640
and at that exact moment of peacefulness

3981
02:50:29,830 --> 02:50:28,160
from behind the mountain which is 14

3982
02:50:35,590 --> 02:50:29,840
miles away

3983
02:50:38,870 --> 02:50:35,600
appears this ginormous

3984
02:50:40,550 --> 02:50:38,880
vertical i'm gonna guess and say 500

3985
02:50:43,910 --> 02:50:40,560
foot tall

3986
02:50:46,950 --> 02:50:43,920
beer can it's black

3987
02:50:49,429 --> 02:50:46,960
it's got a silver circle on the front

3988
02:50:50,070 --> 02:50:49,439
it is traveling from my left to my right

3989
02:50:52,950 --> 02:50:50,080
it's going

3990
02:50:53,510 --> 02:50:52,960
from west to east from behind the

3991
02:50:56,710 --> 02:50:53,520
mountain

3992
02:50:57,590 --> 02:50:56,720
and it is spinning slowly i can see the

3993
02:51:00,550 --> 02:50:57,600
silver

3994
02:51:02,550 --> 02:51:00,560
circle on it turning it's got a little

3995
02:51:03,269 --> 02:51:02,560
silver top little silver bottom but it

3996
02:51:06,630 --> 02:51:03,279
looks like

3997
02:51:07,190 --> 02:51:06,640
the shape of a can and it's traveling

3998
02:51:08,790 --> 02:51:07,200
and

3999
02:51:10,230 --> 02:51:08,800
i don't know where i'm i'm just looking

4000
02:51:14,550 --> 02:51:10,240
at the birds

4001
02:51:18,070 --> 02:51:14,560
and it's 14 miles away i back i scream

4002
02:51:20,309 --> 02:51:18,080
and everybody sees it and as

4003
02:51:21,750 --> 02:51:20,319
it's slowly moving in the sky and it

4004
02:51:22,150 --> 02:51:21,760
looks like we're gonna see it for the

4005
02:51:25,349 --> 02:51:22,160
next

4006
02:51:27,269 --> 02:51:25,359
hour by the speed and it's blue i see

4007
02:51:30,790 --> 02:51:27,279
the sun reflecting off of it

4008
02:51:31,830 --> 02:51:30,800
it's perfectly in focus i can razor

4009
02:51:34,070 --> 02:51:31,840
sharp edges

4010
02:51:35,429 --> 02:51:34,080
it's beautiful it's majestic i jump i

4011
02:51:38,790 --> 02:51:35,439
got a video of this

4012
02:51:40,550 --> 02:51:38,800
i jump up and i'm yelling video video

4013
02:51:43,030 --> 02:51:40,560
video pictures pictures everybody

4014
02:51:44,950 --> 02:51:43,040
look look everybody sees it everybody's

4015
02:51:47,190 --> 02:51:44,960
talking about i come back

4016
02:51:47,990 --> 02:51:47,200
i sit down at the binoculars i look

4017
02:51:51,190 --> 02:51:48,000
through it again

4018
02:51:52,710 --> 02:51:51,200
i see it i then take my eyes off the

4019
02:51:56,790 --> 02:51:52,720
binoculars

4020
02:51:59,030 --> 02:51:56,800
and i'm looking at it with my naked eyes

4021
02:52:00,150 --> 02:51:59,040
and then i go back to the binoculars and

4022
02:52:02,550 --> 02:52:00,160
it's gone

4023
02:52:04,150 --> 02:52:02,560
and i hear everybody so it lasted for

4024
02:52:07,429 --> 02:52:04,160
about 10 or 15 seconds

4025
02:52:09,510 --> 02:52:07,439
i hear everybody yelling it phased out

4026
02:52:11,510 --> 02:52:09,520
it just disappeared and i was like

4027
02:52:12,230 --> 02:52:11,520
that's impossible i come back off and i

4028
02:52:16,550 --> 02:52:12,240
look it's

4029
02:52:19,590 --> 02:52:16,560
gone disappeared out of the sky

4030
02:52:23,830 --> 02:52:19,600
now i ask you

4031
02:52:26,950 --> 02:52:23,840
what did i see it wasn't a helicopter

4032
02:52:28,550 --> 02:52:26,960
it wasn't a balloon it wasn't a plane it

4033
02:52:31,750 --> 02:52:28,560
wasn't a rocket

4034
02:52:32,550 --> 02:52:31,760
it wasn't anything that should be up in

4035
02:52:35,910 --> 02:52:32,560
the sky

4036
02:52:38,870 --> 02:52:35,920
and then disappear in front of everybody

4037
02:52:39,190 --> 02:52:38,880
and you're going to tell me that that

4038
02:52:46,309 --> 02:52:39,200
was

4039
02:52:49,190 --> 02:52:46,319
around in the sky and then

4040
02:52:50,950 --> 02:52:49,200
disappears i didn't see it appear on the

4041
02:52:52,469 --> 02:52:50,960
other side of the mountain by the way

4042
02:52:54,070 --> 02:52:52,479
i was looking at the mountain for 15

4043
02:52:54,870 --> 02:52:54,080
minutes it came out from behind the

4044
02:52:56,710 --> 02:52:54,880
mountain

4045
02:52:58,710 --> 02:52:56,720
i don't know how and then started

4046
02:53:00,469 --> 02:52:58,720
cruising across the sky

4047
02:53:02,230 --> 02:53:00,479
so that tells me i don't know what it

4048
02:53:05,349 --> 02:53:02,240
was but i

4049
02:53:06,630 --> 02:53:05,359
certainly have questions and i know that

4050
02:53:08,309 --> 02:53:06,640
wasn't anything

4051
02:53:10,950 --> 02:53:08,319
that has been flying around in the skies

4052
02:53:12,950 --> 02:53:10,960
or documented by anybody

4053
02:53:14,230 --> 02:53:12,960
so to say that we're alone in the

4054
02:53:17,429 --> 02:53:14,240
universe

4055
02:53:18,950 --> 02:53:17,439
well i don't know was that e.t i don't

4056
02:53:24,309 --> 02:53:18,960
know

4057
02:53:26,150 --> 02:53:24,319
and so to think that we're alone in the

4058
02:53:28,389 --> 02:53:26,160
universe and we're it and i'm seeing

4059
02:53:31,750 --> 02:53:28,399
stuff like that with our friends

4060
02:53:33,190 --> 02:53:31,760
i can't tell my friends ah that was

4061
02:53:35,510 --> 02:53:33,200
nothing

4062
02:53:37,110 --> 02:53:35,520
because that is a life-changing event

4063
02:53:38,790 --> 02:53:37,120
you know it was the middle of the day it

4064
02:53:40,150 --> 02:53:38,800
wasn't at night

4065
02:53:42,309 --> 02:53:40,160
you know it wasn't anything that could

4066
02:53:45,590 --> 02:53:42,319
be questioned

4067
02:53:49,110 --> 02:53:45,600
we all saw it and i don't know yeah

4068
02:53:51,510 --> 02:53:49,120
it's it's a very powerful uh testimony

4069
02:53:53,590 --> 02:53:51,520
yeah there's no doubt as i listen to you

4070
02:53:55,750 --> 02:53:53,600
recount this

4071
02:53:57,510 --> 02:53:55,760
you know i see it i mean this is

4072
02:53:59,670 --> 02:53:57,520
obviously something that uh

4073
02:54:01,670 --> 02:53:59,680
it wasn't a flying saucer i'm not saying

4074
02:54:02,790 --> 02:54:01,680
that right i'm not saying little green

4075
02:54:05,190 --> 02:54:02,800
man i'm not saying that

4076
02:54:05,990 --> 02:54:05,200
i'm not saying and in fact it was the

4077
02:54:08,150 --> 02:54:06,000
opposite

4078
02:54:10,309 --> 02:54:08,160
i'd be fascinated to see the video

4079
02:54:12,389 --> 02:54:10,319
sometime if we ever get a chance to do

4080
02:54:14,070 --> 02:54:12,399
that i would love to see the video

4081
02:54:15,429 --> 02:54:14,080
i don't have an answer that's going to

4082
02:54:20,070 --> 02:54:15,439
satisfy either you

4083
02:54:23,750 --> 02:54:20,080
or me what i will say is this

4084
02:54:27,590 --> 02:54:23,760
eyewitness evidence is evidence

4085
02:54:30,870 --> 02:54:27,600
it is um to simply

4086
02:54:33,670 --> 02:54:30,880
you know flick your wrist and

4087
02:54:36,070 --> 02:54:33,680
oh well you know i mean uh sounds to me

4088
02:54:39,750 --> 02:54:36,080
like you wanted a beer or something

4089
02:54:43,190 --> 02:54:39,760
you know that that's not really adequate

4090
02:54:50,550 --> 02:54:47,030
we must i think

4091
02:54:55,030 --> 02:54:50,560
both recognize

4092
02:54:57,670 --> 02:54:55,040
the power of this experience

4093
02:54:58,630 --> 02:54:57,680
i am perfectly willing to grant that

4094
02:55:01,670 --> 02:54:58,640
this

4095
02:55:05,910 --> 02:55:01,680
actually happened as you described it

4096
02:55:09,510 --> 02:55:05,920
you have witnesses you have video

4097
02:55:13,349 --> 02:55:09,520
um what

4098
02:55:17,429 --> 02:55:13,359
it means what it means in terms

4099
02:55:20,469 --> 02:55:17,439
of a demonstration

4100
02:55:22,630 --> 02:55:20,479
of the existence of intelligent life

4101
02:55:24,550 --> 02:55:22,640
elsewhere in the cosmos

4102
02:55:27,510 --> 02:55:24,560
that's a much different question it's a

4103
02:55:31,910 --> 02:55:27,520
big leap yeah sure yeah it's a big leap

4104
02:55:35,670 --> 02:55:31,920
and and so what i would say is that

4105
02:55:39,349 --> 02:55:35,680
i place a great deal

4106
02:55:44,469 --> 02:55:39,359
of credibility on truthful recounts

4107
02:55:47,670 --> 02:55:44,479
of eye witnesses to me if i

4108
02:55:50,150 --> 02:55:47,680
saw it with my damned eyes i'm going to

4109
02:55:52,790 --> 02:55:50,160
believe my damned eyes

4110
02:55:53,670 --> 02:55:52,800
and if you don't well so much the worst

4111
02:55:56,309 --> 02:55:53,680
for you

4112
02:55:58,070 --> 02:55:56,319
that's the way i am so i certainly can't

4113
02:56:01,590 --> 02:55:58,080
blame you

4114
02:56:02,710 --> 02:56:01,600
for holding to the same uh standard that

4115
02:56:06,469 --> 02:56:02,720
i would hold

4116
02:56:10,309 --> 02:56:06,479
if i saw something with my eyes

4117
02:56:13,750 --> 02:56:10,319
and i am satisfied that this was not

4118
02:56:17,510 --> 02:56:13,760
you know a bit of undigested potato

4119
02:56:18,469 --> 02:56:17,520
but was in fact something in the in the

4120
02:56:24,070 --> 02:56:18,479
world

4121
02:56:25,349 --> 02:56:24,080
now i want you to listen i i just pulled

4122
02:56:29,110 --> 02:56:25,359
up the video

4123
02:56:31,990 --> 02:56:29,120
this uh this is immediately

4124
02:56:32,469 --> 02:56:32,000
after i jumped up and yelled i want you

4125
02:56:39,190 --> 02:56:32,479
to

4126
02:56:42,710 --> 02:56:39,200
excuse

4127
02:56:46,070 --> 02:56:42,720
uh my profanity here we go

4128
02:56:50,710 --> 02:56:46,080
tell me somebody took a picture i

4129
02:56:52,950 --> 02:56:50,720
swear to god i will shoot everybody here

4130
02:56:54,309 --> 02:56:52,960
disappeared now oh no there it is there

4131
02:56:56,710 --> 02:56:54,319
it is i got it i got it

4132
02:56:59,590 --> 02:56:56,720
i got it give us a position man no

4133
02:57:02,070 --> 02:56:59,600
that's uh that's the bird

4134
02:57:04,550 --> 02:57:02,080
no the ufo wasn't a bird no that was

4135
02:57:07,830 --> 02:57:04,560
shimmering that was snowing

4136
02:57:08,150 --> 02:57:07,840
it was it was a ball it was huge okay

4137
02:57:11,349 --> 02:57:08,160
who

4138
02:57:12,790 --> 02:57:11,359
shot it okay now that's the eyewitness

4139
02:57:15,510 --> 02:57:12,800
it was shimmering

4140
02:57:15,990 --> 02:57:15,520
right and earlier if you were listening

4141
02:57:19,510 --> 02:57:16,000
uh

4142
02:57:21,670 --> 02:57:19,520
it was it was spinning right and so

4143
02:57:23,190 --> 02:57:21,680
there it is and then you heard as they

4144
02:57:25,429 --> 02:57:23,200
were watching

4145
02:57:26,469 --> 02:57:25,439
one of them i think this thing was about

4146
02:57:28,710 --> 02:57:26,479
five hundred

4147
02:57:29,990 --> 02:57:28,720
miles away fourteen miles away or two

4148
02:57:31,830 --> 02:57:30,000
miles away

4149
02:57:33,510 --> 02:57:31,840
and you you know you could see it you

4150
02:57:35,349 --> 02:57:33,520
could make it out with the naked eye

4151
02:57:36,710 --> 02:57:35,359
yep you could see it spinning and and

4152
02:57:39,750 --> 02:57:36,720
you heard somebody say

4153
02:57:42,309 --> 02:57:39,760
it just disappeared right and

4154
02:57:42,790 --> 02:57:42,319
and i think it's interesting i'm gonna

4155
02:57:45,670 --> 02:57:42,800
say

4156
02:57:46,950 --> 02:57:45,680
uh like i said it was 14 miles away and

4157
02:57:47,990 --> 02:57:46,960
the way it came out from behind the

4158
02:57:50,150 --> 02:57:48,000
mountain

4159
02:57:51,030 --> 02:57:50,160
um i've looked at a couple of uh still

4160
02:57:54,389 --> 02:57:51,040
images too

4161
02:57:57,510 --> 02:57:54,399
i'm gonna say probably 500 feet tall

4162
02:58:00,469 --> 02:57:57,520
um you know i don't know 100 feet across

4163
02:58:01,190 --> 02:58:00,479
that's the best way i could explain it

4164
02:58:04,469 --> 02:58:01,200
and

4165
02:58:07,269 --> 02:58:04,479
like i said the shape was like like a

4166
02:58:08,389 --> 02:58:07,279
like a like a can you know it was that

4167
02:58:11,110 --> 02:58:08,399
shape it was round

4168
02:58:11,990 --> 02:58:11,120
and it had this silver circle that was

4169
02:58:13,910 --> 02:58:12,000
huge

4170
02:58:15,110 --> 02:58:13,920
that was in the middle of it and you

4171
02:58:18,230 --> 02:58:15,120
could see that

4172
02:58:20,710 --> 02:58:18,240
spinning and shining off of the sun

4173
02:58:22,790 --> 02:58:20,720
every time it did this rotation about

4174
02:58:24,550 --> 02:58:22,800
every four or five seconds you know very

4175
02:58:26,870 --> 02:58:24,560
slow the whole thing was slow

4176
02:58:28,150 --> 02:58:26,880
the rotation was slow it was moving in

4177
02:58:31,349 --> 02:58:28,160
the sky slowly

4178
02:58:33,510 --> 02:58:31,359
and it was still it was razor sharp

4179
02:58:34,870 --> 02:58:33,520
it was crazy man it was crazy i can't

4180
02:58:38,230 --> 02:58:34,880
explain it disappeared

4181
02:58:40,150 --> 02:58:38,240
it just i i didn't see it disappear

4182
02:58:42,309 --> 02:58:40,160
that was the thing i was going between

4183
02:58:44,630 --> 02:58:42,319
naked eye and the binoculars

4184
02:58:45,910 --> 02:58:44,640
and when i came back to the binoculars

4185
02:58:47,750 --> 02:58:45,920
to look through it again that's when

4186
02:58:48,710 --> 02:58:47,760
somebody said it phased out so i missed

4187
02:58:51,190 --> 02:58:48,720
that part

4188
02:58:52,469 --> 02:58:51,200
that's an interesting expression saved

4189
02:58:55,590 --> 02:58:52,479
out that's what they said

4190
02:58:57,349 --> 02:58:55,600
yes that's an interesting expression

4191
02:58:58,710 --> 02:58:57,359
it doesn't say he didn't say it

4192
02:59:02,150 --> 02:58:58,720
disappeared he said

4193
02:59:04,469 --> 02:59:02,160
it phased out yeah yeah like i said

4194
02:59:07,429 --> 02:59:04,479
there was 30 40 people there

4195
02:59:08,389 --> 02:59:07,439
all uh they they got to see it disappear

4196
02:59:12,150 --> 02:59:08,399
i didn't

4197
02:59:17,269 --> 02:59:12,160
well i i i all honor all honor to your

4198
02:59:21,110 --> 02:59:17,279
uh to your uh to your insistence

4199
02:59:24,710 --> 02:59:21,120
that this does not fit um

4200
02:59:26,150 --> 02:59:24,720
it does not obviously and comfortably

4201
02:59:29,030 --> 02:59:26,160
fit

4202
02:59:30,070 --> 02:59:29,040
it was crazy rick hey you know i still

4203
02:59:34,469 --> 02:59:30,080
can't

4204
02:59:37,910 --> 02:59:34,479
to see the video sometime

4205
02:59:40,870 --> 02:59:37,920
i i have never personally had a

4206
02:59:41,990 --> 02:59:40,880
similar experience i've seen a few

4207
02:59:45,590 --> 02:59:42,000
strange things in my

4208
02:59:50,469 --> 02:59:45,600
time but nothing like that

4209
02:59:53,269 --> 02:59:50,479
and i i i have to file this under

4210
02:59:54,950 --> 02:59:53,279
hmm that's right for now and that's why

4211
02:59:57,510 --> 02:59:54,960
you are rick delano

4212
02:59:58,950 --> 02:59:57,520
rick thank you thank you so much for the

4213
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conversation tonight

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man this was a blast jimmy i can't tell

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you how much of a pleasure it was

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thanks for uh for uh spending the

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evening with me and uh i hope uh your

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audience enjoyed it and uh i

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certainly did you're the best and uh

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rick's website uh filosofia

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dot org the links are over at

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jimmychurchradio.com

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the film the amazing quantum realm send

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our people over to

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to to look at this on your site i will

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hook you up rick

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there's oh it's all easy and with that i

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got to get out of here we

4229
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are about to leave the network so let me

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get straight to credits

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thank you so much rick stay right there

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bay to black's executive producer is

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rita kamarian

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show is produced by steve harter gene

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vito mark t

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kovar hilton j palm renee dennis and

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kevin

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webmaster is drew the geek music doug

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aldrich intro spaceboy spaceboymusic.com

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made to black is produced by kjcr for

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the game changer network and syndication

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is kgra

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the planet this broadcast owned a

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copyrighted 2020 by fade to black and

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the game changer network

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inc it cannot be rebroadcast downloaded

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copied or used anywhere in the known

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universe

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without written permission from fade to

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black or the game changer network

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very special thanks to rick delano

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tomorrow night right here steven bassett

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live from washington d.c

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until tomorrow night i'm your host jimmy

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church i want everybody to be